Posted on 04/04/2003 8:18:29 AM PST by Wolfie
GOP Leaders Press Ehrlich To Veto Medical Marijuana
The Bush administration and other top national Republicans are heavily pressuring Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. to veto a proposal that would drastically reduce penalties for terminally ill patients who smoke marijuana to ease pain.
In recent days, several Republican officials have urged Ehrlich to reconsider his longtime support of medical marijuana, which has become one of the few issues that divide the state GOP.
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Nice touch. Next thing you're going to tell me is that Bush lost in 2000 and the United States is an imperialist warmongering nation.
By definition, this is exactly what they are. None of the willing participants in the act of a drug transaction have any demonstrable tort harm, nor any desire to prosecute. While tobacco and alcohol remain legal, it is sheerest unscientific madness to claim that you have credible evidence of grave sociatal harm from marijuana.
A majority of people in the US belong to churches that at one time, widely held that the symbolic eating of jesus's flesh in the form of saltine crackers on sunday, while kneeling before a priest was an obscenity that undercut public order, and destroyed the underlying fabric of society. I say we quit mollycoddling those darn Catholics, and hang them like they deserve.
It requires something more like objective evidence regarding genuinely measurable, gravely substantive harm, than your overblown opinion, to legislate away a victimless common practice, if you want to continue to claim to be a moral society, regulated by a bill of rights, rather than a bunch of pathological gangsters or communists that can do as you please because you are in the majority.
You libertarians have the same ideology as pedophiles, "If it feels good do it." In fact libertarians on this very forum have advocated lowering the age of consent, legalizing bigamy, sex with kids, dogs, goats, dead-people ect...
What a sick rant. The libertarian ideology is "punish only crimes in with individuals suffered tort harm". Some of what you've listed follows from that, some does not, in particular, pedophilia is not victimless, it is a branch of fraud, because children cannot contract with informed consent. And, at any rate, trying to dismiss my argument because someone else is a pedophile is as illogical a piece of sleazy ad hominem as I have seen hereabouts.
hanged by the neck until he or she shall be dead.
Yea, that'll sure stop the drug trade, won't it? Just like it did in China.
So we're going to hang the kid who made a marijuana run for his dorm, eh? I have an idea--lets hang for jaywalking and littering. If we can just go on trashing the Constitution and ignoring the age-old concept of justice that proportional harm calls for proportional punishment long enough, we can all be as moral as that other great bastion of fake constitution holders, the Singaporians.
Good grief, where do you get your facts? Comic books? There is another name for concentrated THC: marinol. And it is given to cancer patients like candy. Here's today's riddle for you. Why can marinol, which wouldn't have passed the FDA tests without special dispensation not be a schedule I drug, whereas the UNconcentrated form found in smoked marijuana (which you would have to drown in for it to hurt you) is a schedule I drug?
What an ignorant, unscientific neanderthal joke marijuana prohibition is. You drug warriors ought to be ashamed of yourselves, but, than again, that would require some awareness of the world outside your self-absorbed, unwarrantedly testosterone-enriched, self-righteous selves. Smoking marijuana equals child abuse--hanging for marijuana possession--what preposterous, childish twaddle.
Good grief, where do you get your facts? Comic books? There is another name for concentrated THC: marinol. And it is given to cancer patients like candy. Here's today's riddle for you. Why can marinol, which wouldn't have passed the FDA tests without special dispensation not be a schedule I drug, whereas the UNconcentrated form found in smoked marijuana (which you would have to drown in for it to hurt you) is a schedule I drug?
What an ignorant, unscientific neanderthal joke marijuana prohibition is. You drug warriors ought to be ashamed of yourselves, but, than again, that would require some awareness of the world outside your self-absorbed, unwarrantedly testosterone-enriched, self-righteous selves. Smoking marijuana equals child abuse--hanging for marijuana possession--what preposterous, childish twaddle.
There could not be a more socialistic/communistic notion than that participants in victimless marijuana transactions should be jailed for the greater good of society.
You mean, like morphine? You object to marijuana, because morphine is available? That's brilliant.
Not for me to say. I can comment, however. There is no scientific rationale to support the thesis that a marijuana free life is necessarily less worthy or pleasant than a marijuana engaged life. And that's not for lack of looking for evidence.
I would prefer that my children not experiment with marijuana in their formative years, for many of the same reasons I'd prefer that they not engage in sex then, either. It does not follow that I condemn either sex or marijuana. And it particularly does not follow that I think throwing them, or the kids that sold it to them, in jail is a great plan. It is, in fact, an abysmally stupid plan, rather like setting grandpa afire to remove a food stain from his shirt.
Heroin will work even better. Does it therefore logically follow that I should throw the morphine away, and jail the docs who prescribed it?
Yes, it is "prepared" in the same sense that potatoes are "prepared", by separating them from the potatoe plant root, and allowed to dry before shipping. Marijuana buds can be, and are, consumed raw. And the essential point, is that they can be usefully and easily raised for consumption by anyone with a minimum of space and time. That is the real reason marijuana will never undergo FDA tests: no one will be able to recoup the cost of FDA testing for something so easy to procure, in a legal environment that does not impose the cost of felony imprisonment on the procurer.
Bully for North Caroline. At the federal level, it is a schedule I drug, dispite the legal admonishion to reschedule it as an upshot of the DEA's own judicial inquiry of 1988 conducted by Judge-advocate Young, and the ludicrous spectacle of Marinol, which actually kills people, being prescribed, while marijuana is proscribed.
The reason for this curious Alice-in-Wonderland turn of events is that marijuana seizings are the vast majority of the drug war. Without marijuana, the DEA has to go back to begging congress for its funds, and the DEA knows it wouldn't survive critical congressional inquiry for very long given its current standards of behavior, and scientific acumen.
There isn't an ounce of truth to this article. In 1972, Nixon Commissioned a massive inquiry into marijuana, and staffed it with prohibitionist leaning scientists. They worked their buns off to find good science condemning marijuana and failed.
The same thing happened in 1988 under the auspices of the DEA, and, again, no real, objective science could be found to condemn marijuana in any substantive way. In the words of the DEA's Judge-advocate Young: there are few things on the grocery shelf with a safer track record than marijuana.
If you are going to dig up quotes from scientists, try to find scientists whose continuing livelihood does not depend on the prohibition of recreational drugs, such as those employed by federal agencies like NIDA, or their international counterparts.
Or could that be because you didn't generally meet people with brains and ambition enough to avoid falling afoul of the law? In statistics, we call that a selective sampling error.
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