[FITZ]

defines ecumenical

I don't believe much in "ecumenicalism" for this reason. Who needs it? The US had different religion before that and "multiculturalism" became the vogue and people ended up getting along just fine.

[wcbtinman]

IIRC, in the Bible, instructions are for Christian prayers to be asked "in the name of Jesus Christ". Therefore it would be a matter of faith that any prayer would mention Jesus.

This nation was founded on Christian principles, not on Jewish ones. Seems to me that the Jews are the ones who are intolerant. Ever seen any Christians object because a Jewish prayer does not mention Jesus?

[ApesForEvolution]

The name of God scares the crap out of unsaved religious folks...

[rmlew]

Snotty liberal JINOs.

[Courier]

Totally different point of view

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-md.prayer03apr03,0,2538672.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Jews seem to have had very little to do with it and tried to help.

[jackbill]

Miller is and always has been a corrupt piece of DemocRAT $hit. Why would anyone expect anything better of him?

[boris]

Jesus was called "Rabbi" and venerated as a sage by (some) Jews of his time. As a Jew I have no problem with the benediction.

Heck, I view all Christians as schizmatic sects of Judiasm anyway!

Pre-Passover/Easter Shalom to all Freepers.

--Boris

[Jhoffa_]

I don't know how I feel about this..

Say we had an all Muslim state Senate. Should anyone be surprised if they don't want to hear references to anyone but "Allah"

That's what happens when you are in the majority for so long you forget what could happen tomorrow.

If it were me, I would gather the Christian members (and other faiths should do the same) for a sermon or prayer beforehand. Besides, from what I have seen these prayers are doing our government no good at all. As the most of the men in government are acomplished liars and cheats.

Much like perfuming a pig as it is.

[nightdriver]

"The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion."

I can't wait 'till God declares the ACLU irrelevant.

[Hildy]

As a Jew, I apologize for these nitwits.

[nkycincinnatikid]

Sweet Jesus, Don't let us lose our jewish senators . We couldn't make a quorem.

[JWinNC]

If a Christian is invited to pray (anywhere) then it should be expected that they would pray in Jesus' name.

Else, don't invite them.

The Reverend was not out of line.

JWinNC

[nmh]

This is offensive. Don't folks find it odd that the name of Jesus has been allowed till now? Isn't it also odd that when sworn in the Holy Bible (OLD and NEW Testament) is used for the swearing in? Now this ... it's way out of line by our Jewish folks.

[nmh]

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

Ditto! It;s time for others to show some respect and tolerance. It is ONLY to Jesus that Christians pray. They have NO choice but to reference His name. To suggest otherwise would void the prayer.

[nmh]

"I agree. An old testament reference would have been more suitable. This is a country founded on Judeo-Christain principles. Prayers made in a government setting should not offend either the Jewish or Christain religion."

Being Jewish this would fit YOUR beliefs however Christians accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. To ignore that He is the Messiah would not be Christian.

It's time for you and others to show some respect and tolerance for the beliefs of others. It is ONLY to Jesus that Christians can pray. They have NO choice but to reference His name. To suggest otherwise would void the prayer. Now do yo get it? You don't have to accept it but I do suggest you show some respect and tolerance for others that wish to make a request to Jesus.

[montag813]

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

They are not Jews, and certainly not "rabbis". There are thousands of devout, worshipping Socialists who infest among Jews. In NYC they have gay synagogues, Communist synagoges, etc. They can call them whatever they like...they are not Jewish houses of worship. No self-respecting Orthadox rabbi would ever object to such a Christian prayer, just as no true Christian objected to hearing prayers spoken at the Challenger service read in Hebrew.

[Ymani Cricket]

Looks like back to good ole arguing...

Interesting discussion.

I have to say it's a double edged sword to argue pluralism. How many will stand for the eventual hard-core satanist to offer his/her prayer in the name of satan or whatever name they want to use.... or any other otherwise socially unacceptable figure, god, deity, or what have you. A show of hands?

But really, why hasn't anyone complained for the last 200 years?

And I will admit it is a slippery slope between telling someone what to pray and telling someone they can't pray. I seem to recall the story of a Hebrew young man named Daniel and a certain historical place where he was not allowed to pray to HaShem, by governmental decree. What was that story?? hmm...maybe over in what is now called...Iraq?? Anyone remember that?

A legitimate argument going on but lets not fall for "Divide and Conquer".

[American in Israel]

Tolerance is allowing other opinions, walking out is a bratty way to force yours on others. A land of the free requires us to work together, a land of opression allows only State approved thought patterns.

Are we going to be free, or Tali-banned?

[Slings and Arrows]

Two points:

1. The lawmakers who threatened a walkout need to get a sense of proportion. They remind me of the anti-circumcision crowd: Making a mountain out of a mohel. *rimshot*

2. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but it's a pet peeve of mine: Why do people insist on using the redundant phrase "Jewish rabbis?" It is necessary to identify denomination when speaking of priests and ministers, because multiple denominations have both (e.g., Catholic vs. Episcopalian priests, Presbyterian vs. Lutheran ministers), but only one religion has rabbis, and most people know which one it is.

P.S. Don't get me started on "hot water heater."

[Radix]

I do not have the time, nor the inclination to peruse 418 posts.

Here is my post.

1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
(Whole Chapter: 1 Corinthians 14 In context: 1 Corinthians 14:32-34)

Just what we need more uppity Jews.

Gosh, what was I thinking?

How could I have forgotten?

Jews wrote the New Testament.

I am in a foul mood.

Do not mess with me unless you are prepared to defend yourself with a demonstration of your knowledge!

I have no tolerance for immature bullshiete artists.

Back off unless you are prepared for a serious rebuke.


In better days, I might be nicer.