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New Disease Scary, but Not as Bad as Flu
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | Wednesday, April 2, 2003 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 04/02/2003 7:55:35 PM PST by InShanghai

New Disease Scary, but Not as Bad as Flu -- Yet

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It jumped from ducks to farmers in the densely populated southern provinces of China, spreading via jet to the whole world within a year and killing half a million people. SARS? No -- just ordinary influenza.

 

As world health officials scramble to identify and contain the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, they are drawing constant parallels with flu, a much more familiar -- and so far deadlier -- foe.

SARS has killed an estimated 78 people and made 2,151 ill, the World Health Organization (news - web sites) said in its latest update.

In contrast, influenza kills anywhere between 250,000 and 500,000 people every year around the world. In the United States, with a vaccine and modern medical care widely available, flu kills at least 36,000 people a year.

New strains regularly pop up, with varying degrees of lethality.

The "Spanish flu" pandemic of 1918 killed between 40 million and 50 million worldwide, most of them young, healthy adults. The "Asian flu" and "Hong Kong flu" pandemics of 1956-1957 and 1967-1968 killed a combined 4.5 million people.

The SARS outbreak is tiny in comparison, said Dr. Richard Duma, head of infectious diseases at the Halifax Medical Center in Daytona, Florida, and a member of the board of the National Foundation for Infectious Disease. "I think it is frightening a lot of people but I don't think it will produce the mortality that influenza will produce," Duma said.

In fact, when SARS cases were first reported in Guangdong early this year, experts assumed it was another outbreak of a deadly strain of influenza known as H5N1.

BIRD SLAUGHTER STEMMED OUTBREAK

In 1997, Hong Kong authorities slaughtered more than a million chickens and ducks to stem the epidemic of "bird flu" that came to be known by its genetic nickname of H5N1. It killed six people and infected 18.

Richard Webby, an influenza virus expert at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, noted that three members of a Hong Kong family who visited Fujian Province in southern China became infected with H5N1 early this year and two of them died.

They were the first known human cases since 1997.

U.S. and WHO experts knew of a larger outbreak of respiratory disease in China's Guangdong province at the time and assumed it was more H5N1, which alarmed them.

The new outbreak has since been identified as SARS, which may be caused by a different virus, known as a coronavirus.

But the parallels with influenza are obvious. Both are respiratory diseases, both are highly infectious and both, apparently, have jumped from animals to people.

And both were born in China. Influenza begins as an infection of birds, one that does not make its avian hosts ill. A slight mutation allows it to move into people, sometimes via pigs as an intermediate host.

Once a person recovers from influenza, he or she has immunity to that strain. But every year a new strain jumps from the flocks of chickens, ducks and geese raised in China, forcing vaccine makers to come up with a new formula.

 

Something similar may have happened with SARS, said Mike Osterholm, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota who has for years been warning about such emerging infections.

"You have the world's largest population in China. You have the world's largest population of pigs in China, the world's largest population of aquatic birds. You have close contacts and you have a lot of different species where these agents are floating around, and you are going to see a jump from animals to people," Osterholm said in a telephone interview.

Only SARS looks worse than ordinary flu. It kills between 3.5 percent and 4 percent of known victims -- a rate higher than the 1918 influenza epidemic, the worst epidemic in recorded history, in which 3 percent of patients died.

In an average year, influenza kills fewer than 1 percent of patients, experts said.

"Four percent mortality -- that is a lot of people if you multiply it by a few million," Webby said.


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"they are drawing constant parallels with flu, a much more familiar, and so far deadlier foe... influenza kills anywhere between 250,000 and 500,000 people every year around the world."

Where are the SARS survivors?

1 posted on 04/02/2003 7:55:35 PM PST by InShanghai
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To: InShanghai
This column is moronic. Coming from Reuters that's not surprising.

It remains to be seen how deadly SARS will prove to be. But to compare the number of deaths from a virus that is presently limited to a few thousand cases to the number of deaths in a worldwide flu epidemic suffered by hundreds of millions is like comparing apples with bombs.
2 posted on 04/02/2003 8:02:48 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: InShanghai
"Where are the SARS survivors?"

The Hong Kong SARS site lists discharged patients along with total cases [for Hong Kong only.] This site is a little odd, but if you read their latest Figures on Atypical Pnuemonia as 1 PM April 2, 2003 the discharged tally is ahoqn. The breakdown is 89 discharged out of 708 total cases. They break down this down as 51 out of 175 infected health workers and 38 out of 533 for the general populace.

http://www.info.gov.hk/dh/ap.htm

3 posted on 04/02/2003 8:19:02 PM PST by R W Reactionairy
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To: R W Reactionairy
That means that of the 150 who were hospitalized by Mar 19, at least 45 are still hospitalized.
4 posted on 04/02/2003 8:26:26 PM PST by per loin
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To: Cicero
A friend who works at Children's Hospital stated in an email reply to me regarding SARS, that they(Hospital researchers) watch foreign born illnesses such as flus and colds, but always determine the strain to weaken as it travels further from it's initial birthplace. Apparently it's a matter of geography, and though the strain will continue spreading, it cannot be as lethal.

Okay, I'm no MD...but it's put my mind at ease for now.

5 posted on 04/02/2003 8:37:23 PM PST by Katya
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To: Katya
I wonder where their data came from. People travel around more often and much more quickly than 1918 or 1957.
6 posted on 04/02/2003 9:21:22 PM PST by InShanghai (I was born on the crest of a wave, and rocked in the cradle of the deep.)
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To: InShanghai
This author is incredibly stupid. The fatality rate of SARS is higher even than the Spanish Flu. And Flu in general is far less deadly and normally only affects people with weak immune systems. SARS affects healthy people. Finally, if you are concerned about the Flu, you can get a vaccine which isn't guaranteed to work but there is no vaccine at all for SARS. Add in that it is resistant to all known anti-viral treatments and that 10% or more of the victims need ventilators to breathe and you have one nasty bug.

Current cases in the US: 85.
Worldwide cases March 31st: 1622
Worldwide cases April 1st: 1804
WorldWide cases April 2nd: 2223

7 posted on 04/02/2003 9:26:35 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: InShanghai
In the United States, with a vaccine and modern medical care widely available, flu kills at least 36,000 people a year.

16,000 AIDS related deaths in the U.S. in 2001, according to the CDC. Hmmm...

8 posted on 04/02/2003 9:34:22 PM PST by opinionator
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To: TennesseeProfessor; per loin
The new cases you're reporting are the cases China is now 'fessing up to. They're still working on their numbers, and I've heard that Shanghai has cases also (although no mention of that anywhere).

The news outlets are now starting to report about a "contained" virus, however they are also giving advice on how to avoid viral infections - go figure.

per loin has a great chart he's posted on a couple of other threads recording the increases in reported infections etc...

9 posted on 04/02/2003 9:40:04 PM PST by InShanghai (I was born on the crest of a wave, and rocked in the cradle of the deep.)
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To: InShanghai
Hospitalized Hong Kong SARS cases
Time Number of cases Percentage increases Number of current deaths as a percentage of case totals on previous days
Day Date New Total Day Week Deaths Today Day ago 2 Days 3 Days 4 Days 5 Days 6 Days Week
Wed 03/19 150
Thu 03/20 23 173 15.33%
Fri 03/21 30 203 17.34%
Sat 03/22 19 222 9.36%
Sun 03/23 25 247 11.26%
Mon 03/24 13 260 5.26%
Tue 03/25 26 286 10.00%
Wed 03/26 30 316 10.49% 110.67%
Thu 03/27 51 367 16.14% 112.14%
Fri 03/28 58 425 15.80% 109.36%
Sat 03/29 45 470 10.59% 111.71% 10 2.13% 2.35% 2.72% 3.16% 3.50% 3.85% 4.05% 4.50%
Sun 03/30 60 530 12.77% 114.57% 13 2.45% 2.77% 3.06% 3.54% 4.11% 4.55% 5.00% 5.26%
Mon 03/31 80 610 15.09% 134.62% 15 2.46% 2.83% 3.19% 3.53% 4.09% 4.75% 5.24% 5.77%
Tue 04/1 75 685 12.30% 139.51% 16 2.34% 2.62% 3.02% 3.40% 3.76% 4.36% 5.06% 5.59%
Wed 04/2 23 708 3.36% 124.05% 16 2.26% 2.34% 2.62% 3.02% 3.40% 3.76% 4.36% 5.06%
Averages 11.79% 119.58% 2.33% 2.58% 2.92% 3.33% 3.77% 4.25% 4.74% 5.24%

10 posted on 04/02/2003 9:44:54 PM PST by per loin
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To: InShanghai
The title says "not as scary as flu" then the end of the article says it has a much higher mortality rate. I also read somewhere else that they think it doubles every 2 weeks.

Someone needs to figure this out quick. Saw the guy on Fox mention it as really scary. That will needlessly scare a lot of people. We need the facts sorted out.
11 posted on 04/02/2003 9:45:55 PM PST by TheLion
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To: InShanghai
Ignoring China Mainland:
March 29th: 816
April 1st: 998
April 2nd: 1033
Ignoring China and Hong Kong:
March 29th: 286
April 1: 313
April 2: 325

Most of those are people returning from the hot zone, but I am not ready to claim that it has been contained. I do look forward to per loin's graph.

12 posted on 04/02/2003 9:47:46 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: TennesseeProfessor
And I now see per loin's graph (Thanks!). It does seem like Hong Kong is improving, though I still want to wait until the weekend before celebrating.
13 posted on 04/02/2003 9:50:47 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: TennesseeProfessor
Flu affects only people with weakened immune systems ? In what universe ?

Since China has hidden just about ALL info, no one really knows about the fatality rate of SARS. And, for the record, even inits early days, the Spanish Flu infected and killed far MORE people, world wide, than SARS has. Facts are our friends, dear; hysteria and erronious codswallop aren't. ;^)

14 posted on 04/02/2003 9:50:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: opinionator
Yup. With this in mind, before vaccines Measles killed roughly 100 children a year.

Think about that. Parents are accused of neglect and loose custody of their children because they are worried about a vaccine that would save about 100 children a year... that NOATIONALLY folks. (minus the few that the vaccine itself kills) Kids can't go to school or day care.

And I wonder how many of those kids who were killed by measles were unhealthy in the first place. Perhaps, if we only vaccinated the few high-risk kids we would be better off. (Yes, I know. More sick days off from work to care for sick kids, but hey...)

And the flu kills over 35,000. Perhaps our money could be better spent else where.

15 posted on 04/02/2003 9:53:39 PM PST by Marie (If bad spelling is an indicator of a brilliant mind, then I'm a friggin' genious.)
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To: nopardons
I meant that Flu normally kills only people with weakened immune systems.
16 posted on 04/02/2003 9:56:13 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: TennesseeProfessor
That wasn't the case with the Spanish, Asian, nor Hong Kong flu. Wanna try again ? :-)
17 posted on 04/02/2003 9:57:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Yes, the Spanish Flu was worse. But it also had two runs through the US over about a year. Where will be a year from now with SARS? It's the potential of the disaster that's frightening, not what's happened so far.
18 posted on 04/02/2003 9:58:02 PM PST by Marie (If bad spelling is an indicator of a brilliant mind, then I'm a friggin' genious.)
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To: nopardons
Listen one more time:

I meant that Flu normally kills only people with weakened immune systems.

And if you are seriously comparing SARS to the Spanish Flu, you have made the point that it is nasty stuff.

19 posted on 04/02/2003 10:01:15 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: Marie
We have a far better research and medical system, than was available in 1918. Thus far, SARS isn't spreading andwhere near as rapidly, as the Spanish flu did.

Do you enjoy scaring yourself so, over something that you have little to no control over and which shows NO signs of being an huge pandemic ? Want something to REALLY worry about ? Worry about the East Nile virus or Lyme disease, which you have a far better chance of getting and dying / being a valetutinarium from .

20 posted on 04/02/2003 10:02:06 PM PST by nopardons
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