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Family that lost 11 had been seeking refuge
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| 04/02/03
| Meg Laughlin
Posted on 04/02/2003 8:14:14 AM PST by dark_lord
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Looks like unlike previous reports, it is not the case that Fedayeen packed the car with women and kids to cause a checkpoint "incident." Rather it looks like typical wartime SNAFU.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:14:14 AM PST
by
dark_lord
To: dark_lord
I didn't think all 11 were killed.
To: dark_lord
It's sad, but the full responsibility for their deaths lies squarely with the homicide bombers, and those who advocate, rationalize and encourage it.
To: Larry Lucido
Them and whoever didn't teach these folks to read.
To: dark_lord
Fox ran an interview yesterday that showed a prominant Shia cleric in Kuwait who said that the family had been forced to provoke the US soldiers by the Iraq secret police.
Could be the cleric was lying. But that would be a strange thing for a cleric to lie about.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:20:49 AM PST
by
ckilmer
To: dark_lord
This is a different event than the 'women and children' checkpoint.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:20:57 AM PST
by
Blueflag
To: ckilmer
The cleric was talking about the women and cildren event, not this family.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:21:37 AM PST
by
Blueflag
To: dark_lord
I saw a military guy on FOX (i'm pretty sure it was FOX) say that warning shots were fired (in the air?)and the vehicle did not stop. Then shots were fired into the engine to get it to stop, but it kept moving forward. At that point, they shot into the vehicle.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:25:02 AM PST
by
1 spark
To: dark_lord
Don't you think if you were heading for a border you'd get out and WALK....during these times?
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:25:15 AM PST
by
goodnesswins
(Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
To: dark_lord
The left will dance all over this. Everyone should actually be ENRAGED by the Terrorist Methods of using civilians in the fashion that CREATED this incident.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:28:30 AM PST
by
Calpernia
(http://www.politicsandprotest.org/attack.swf)
To: Larry Lucido
You're absolutely right. The homicide bombers and the regime are responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. It can't be said enough.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:28:39 AM PST
by
1 spark
To: goodnesswins
I think desperate and frightened people do things that don't make any sense to those who view them from the calm and safety of their living rooms. This applies to both the family and the soldiers.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:28:57 AM PST
by
m1911
To: dark_lord
I would say that this report is the one that is false. That's my gut feeling.
To: ckilmer
Could be the cleric was lying. But that would be a strange thing for a cleric to lie about. What would be a normal thing for a cleric to lie about..anyway he was a muslim cleric
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:40:56 AM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: dark_lord
This is tragic, but also suspicious. IMHO, bullets flying over my head, and then next slamming INTO my vehicle's engine, are both an obvious warning, and MAY BE UNDERSTOOD IN ANY LANGUAGE: STOP NOW! Period. So, why did this group continue to drive towards the check-point, even when they saw AND ACKNOWLEDGED that American soldiers were NOT WAIVING THEIR HANDS AND SMILING, but rather, were AIMING THEIR WEAPONS AND SHOUTING? How F***ING stupid can you be?
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:42:27 AM PST
by
jt8d
(War is better than terrorism)
To: dark_lord
this article is a bunch of crap.. it sounds about as truthfull as a Michael Moore documentary.
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:47:46 AM PST
by
arly
To: ckilmer
"Fox ran an interview yesterday that showed a prominant Shia cleric in Kuwait who said that the family had been forced to provoke the US soldiers by the Iraq secret police.
Could be the cleric was lying. But that would be a strange thing for a cleric to lie about"
Seems to me the lib paper is more likely to lie through their teeth as much as they can get away with...
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:52:31 AM PST
by
Minty
To: m1911
I know of 2 incidents being report yesterday.
1. The case of the 11 at the check point. Where procedure was followed.
2. There was a report yesterday of one similar to this but the vehicle was supposed to have been shot up by a helicopter.
So is this a new one or is this a composite of the 2 that is now being fed to the media?
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posted on
04/02/2003 8:57:04 AM PST
by
Kadric
To: Kadric
It's two separate incidents! The cleric spoke to the women and children event, not the Toyota-17 event.
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posted on
04/02/2003 9:09:15 AM PST
by
Blueflag
To: Minty
Well, a couple points.
(1) It is possible that these are 2 different incidents. The quotes from the father (Hassan) came from an interview at the MASH unit. So this is 1st person reporting.
(2) The source is from Knight-Ridder and printed in the Tribune. The Chicago Tribune is not, strictly speaking, a "lib" paper. They are clearly left-wing on issues like gun control, and their "letters to the editor" clearly tend to print the leftist point of view. But their war coverage has been balanced, and they are in general critical of the Daley (socialist) administration.
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