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Ban On E-Commerce Taxes likely To Be Extended
Information Week | April 2,2003 | Eric Chabrow

Posted on 04/02/2003 5:09:39 AM PST by tom paine 2

Unless a political upset occurs, the only real question is how long the ban will be extended. It might be permanent.

Anti-tax advocates sympathetic to the interests--and pocketbooks--of Internet service providers went head to head with tax administrators at a congressional hearing Tuesday over legislation that would permanently ban local and state governments from taxing Internet access. Congress has already enacted the 1998 Internet Tax Freedom Act, which was reauthorized for two years in 2001 and renamed the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act. The goal each time was to shelter a budding industry from local and regional taxes.

Former Virginia Gov. James Gilmor, in endorsing the legislation, noted that the Internet and PCs have empowered individuals as citizens in a democracy, as consumers, and as entrepreneurs in unprecedented fashion. "America can embrace these positive developments and promote more of it by keeping taxes and regulatory burdens on Internet access to a minimum, or it can thwart them by taxing Internet access," he testified before the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law.

But "the fledgling-industry argument is no longer relevant," said Harley Duncan, the executive director of the Federation of Tax Administrators. "Electronic commerce is becoming a mature and important part of the U.S. and international economy. In our estimation, there has been no showing that the purchase or supply of Internet-access services in the states that tax the services has been adversely affected. Neither has there been a showing of an undue compliance burden on Internet service providers that would justify the pre-emption. Continuing the pre-emption simply provides a special position for this particular communications medium."

If Congress reauthorizes the ban, it should be for just five more years, said Duncan, whose association represents tax administrators from the states, as well as New York City and Washington, D.C. And jurisdictions that already tax Net access should be allowed to continue assessing levies, he said.

Gilmor, who once led a congressional advisory panel on E-commerce, said Congress twice banned such levies. "These 'grandfathered' states faced a choice," he said. "They could either reverse their hasty decisions to tax Internet service or they could wait to see if Congress might change its mind."

Some states did just that, Gilmor says: Texas eliminated its tax on Internet access priced below $25 a month, and Connecticut opted to phase out its tax on Internet access all together. Washington state repealed the local tax on Internet access that the city of Tacoma had imposed. Still, nine states collect an estimated $50 million a year in Internet-access taxes.

Gilmor and others worry that allowing local and state governments to tax Internet access could replicate the problem they say confronts the telecom industry: a maze of overlapping and disparate taxes.

"Just saying it doesn't make it so," Duncan countered. Net-access taxes are simple use taxes, like those levied on other services, he said. Most telecom taxes are a result of complex decisions made by state utility boards that regulate phone services.

Jack Kemp, a former congressman and GOP presidential candidate, suggested that Congress go beyond banning Internet-access taxes and take steps to limit the ability of states to collect taxes on purchases made online. In fact, a consortium of states created a program known as the Streamlined Sales Tax Project to do just that.

"The central issue in the Internet tax debate is not fairness as the NGA [National Governors Association] and some others would have us believe; it is taxation without representation," Kemp said. "States have been trying for more than three decades to tax people and businesses that are located out of state because politicians are acutely aware nonresidents can't vote them out of office."

He said some states see online taxation as a way to help them balance their budgets. "But, as we have seen, economic growth, not new forms of taxation, is the key to solving budget shortfalls."

Duncan contends that states, for the most part, aren't looking to Net-access taxes to balance their budgets. "While states have had to determine the manner in which existing taxes should be applied to Internet services and electronic commerce," he said, "there was no headlong rush to devise new schemes of taxation that in some fashion targeted the electronic-commerce industry."

The bill has the backing of the Bush administration and is expected to be approved. Thus, Duncan is trying to tighten definitions so that ISPs, for instance, can't bundle Net access with other services that would normally be subjected to taxation in order to avoid any levy.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: internetcommerce; taxes

1 posted on 04/02/2003 5:09:39 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: tom paine 2
Soemone had better tell the Arkansas Legislature - they recently passed a bill to collect sales and use taxes from ALL purchases made from out-of-state via the internet and mail-order.

I don't know if the Governor has signed it yet....
2 posted on 04/02/2003 5:23:01 AM PST by TheBattman
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To: tom paine 2
When does the ban expire?.
3 posted on 04/02/2003 5:30:55 AM PST by reloader (Shooting- The only sport endorsed by the Founding Fathers.)
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To: tom paine 2
I can certainly understand any anti-tax sentiments, but I'm a little confused about why people are so adamantly opposed to taxing internet purchases simply on principle. A "normal" retailer is at a competitive disadvantage against any retailer who doesn't have to charge a sales tax.

This is another reason why I've been adamantly opposed to the creation of those stupid "urban enterprise zones" in which only a partial sales tax is paid.

4 posted on 04/02/2003 6:18:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
I can certainly understand any anti-tax sentiments, but I'm a little confused about why people are so adamantly opposed to taxing internet purchases simply on principle. A "normal" retailer is at a competitive disadvantage against any retailer who doesn't have to charge a sales tax.

A "normal" retailer only has to worry about collecting sales tax in one state and locality while an internet retailer has to worry about 50 states and who knows how many counties and municipalities. May be doable for Amazon but an administrative nightmare for a small on-line retailer.

I agree with you about the "enterprise zones". The whole country should be one.

5 posted on 04/02/2003 6:42:22 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555
A "normal" retailer only has to worry about collecting sales tax in one state and locality while an internet retailer has to worry about 50 states and who knows how many counties and municipalities.

You're right, but it might not be as hard as you think. It may be simply a matter of using a database of sales taxes by zip code for the entire U.S. I'd be very surprised if such a thing didn't already exist, along with the means to have these taxes paid on a monthly basis to the proper jurisdictions.

Of course, it would also be possible for states to make agreements with each other to tax the internet purchases at the state level and eliminate any local sales taxes. I believe many states have already started to do this, in anticipation of the time when taxes on internet purchases will be allowed.

6 posted on 04/02/2003 6:49:20 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
It's my (probably futile) hope that states and counties will look at the competition from online retailers and realize that the only way to compete is by lowering or eliminating sales taxes altogether, along with the necessary spending reductions. This is one reason why I think it vital to fight the move to tax internet commerce. The other reason is that it tremendously broadens the range of goods and services available and I don't think it nearly mature enough to survive the greedy hands of the tax administrators.
7 posted on 04/02/2003 6:55:59 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555
It's my (probably futile) hope that states and counties will look at the competition from online retailers and realize that the only way to compete is by lowering or eliminating sales taxes altogether, along with the necessary spending reductions.

That's a worthwhile goal, but I'm not sure how effective it will be. And on its face there is an inherent injustice at work here -- an online retailer should not have a competitive advantage over a traditional local one just because the online retailer "sells" its goods from out of state. Whatever competitive advantage they enjoy from having no storefront costs is legitimate, but there is no reason to add insult to injury and give them a tax advantage as well.

8 posted on 04/02/2003 7:03:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
I agree that an actual tax advantage is uncalled for, but as somebody who exists on the proceeds from online sales, it becomes a basic issue of interstate commerce. In Delaware, which has no sales tax, residents can go to PA and buy a new car and not have to pay PA sales tax since they do not live there. As residents, they make up this lack of sales tax through the DE state income tax system. Here in Tennessee, the opposite is true - no income tax but a 8.5+ sales tax on ALL purchases. It could therefore be argued that I be taxed at my state's rate, regardless of where I shop in the world. This, of course, would require a much greater ability for the state to determine where I am, how I pay and what I buy - something that will not fly here in America under any circumstances. I would be much more concerned as a retailer at the cost of filing the funds collected to who-knows-how-many different tax jurisdictions; the only benefactors would be an even greater number of government tax adminstrators required to document and audit the results. The cost of admistration would likely be more expensive than the resulting income.

I feel badly for the way that retail is hurt by changes in the marketplace, but it is something that has always had to face competitive challenges; an online business like mine (photography and antiques related to auto racing)is a great opportunity for many of us who would not want to deal with the time needed for a storefront enterprise, and my survival in that format would be impossible. However, if I have to chart and mail (every three months likely) payments to every district, county or state that I sell product in, I'm going out of business. If the legislation passed, storefront owners who would have to do likewise would also be very unhappy. The rah-rah 1990s allowed the big gov types to get all sorts of things into place; that money stream is gone, and the states themselves are going have to begin to make some very serious decisions on how to cut back on their fiscal programs. In the words of a wise zookeeper - don't feed the animals!
9 posted on 04/02/2003 9:25:18 AM PST by Amalie (pray for our troops)
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To: Alberta's Child
And on its face there is an inherent injustice at work here

What about catalog sales? Why shouldn't e-commerce taxes be treated like those? I have started a small online business and charge sales tax on all IL based sales. In that way, I act like a catalog, except that it is online.

Of course, the larger companies won't be against this becuase they can absorb the cost of doing all state sales taxes more easily than a small company can.

10 posted on 04/02/2003 9:34:14 AM PST by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right. http://www.2ASisters.org)
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To: Amalie
In Delaware, which has no sales tax, residents can go to PA and buy a new car and not have to pay PA sales tax since they do not live there.

The situation you describe here is fairly unique, because in the case of some big-ticket items like automobiles and boats the sales tax is not paid at the point of purchase but when the item is registered in the appropriate state. Therefore, someone from PA who buys a car in Delaware has to pay a sales tax on it even though Delaware has no sales tax.

It could therefore be argued that I be taxed at my state's rate, regardless of where I shop in the world.

Believe it or not, this may very well be the case in your jurisdiction. I know it is in New York state -- technically, the state of New York has the authority to assess a sales tax on any item purchased at a shopping mall in another state. Of course, they can't possibly enforce the law even if they wanted to -- the cost of enforcing it would far exceed the amount of tax revenue that was generated.

I feel badly for the way that retail is hurt by changes in the marketplace, but it is something that has always had to face competitive challenges.

I agree. My only point is that "competitive challenges" should not include a tax structure that puts someone at a competitive disadvantage. If I owned a Ford dealer and the government decided that all General Motors cars should be exempt from sales taxes, then I'd have every reason to be upset.

11 posted on 04/02/2003 9:49:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: technochick99
What about catalog sales? Why shouldn't e-commerce taxes be treated like those?

You're absolutely right. But based on what I've posted here I think you're making the case for taxing catalog sales, not exempting e-commerce sales.

12 posted on 04/02/2003 9:51:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm a little confused about why people are so adamantly opposed to taxing internet purchases simply on principle

Because a faraway Internet business is not benefiting from the police, fire, sewer, etc. infrastructure funded by local taxes, and has no vote in the levying of such taxes. Simple.

13 posted on 04/02/2003 9:57:23 AM PST by steve-b
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The faraway Internet business still has to get the product to the customer, which requires the use of public infrastructure. If a FedEx truck is stolen with my Amazon.com purchase in the back of it along with 100 other Internet sales items, the police are going to track it down anyway.

And the business owner only has a vote in the levying of such taxes if he lives in the same jurisdiction where he works.

14 posted on 04/02/2003 10:11:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
The faraway Internet business still has to get the product to the customer, which requires the use of public infrastructure.

That is paid for by shipping charges (which include the gasoline taxes that pay for the public infrastructure). To require a second payment is unjust on its face.

15 posted on 04/02/2003 10:48:35 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Alberta's Child
The analogy between Ford and GM is well-taken. I see this more as camel's nose in the tent; once they are able to tax this deal, there is no end to the creative ways they will use to get money out of it.
16 posted on 04/02/2003 11:34:21 AM PST by Amalie (pray for our troops)
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