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***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - Day 14 - LIVE THREAD***

Posted on 04/01/2003 9:10:41 PM PST by Capitalism2003

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To: SandyInSeattle
My husband thinks it's because they're all on the hook for war crimes and have nothing to lose. Thoughts?

I read somewhere that there is evidence that the Republican Guard is being advised by the Russians. I don't know if that is true but it could also be that they don't have any leadership at the top. I think your husband is right.

1,401 posted on 04/02/2003 9:38:29 AM PST by Lauratealeaf (God be with out troops and President Bush)
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To: TigersEye
Interesting bit on those 4 journalists who were freed (the one was Gore's photographer). There was an activist freed with them.

Haven't heard anything said by that person yet. Maybe a lesson learned since they were held in a prison that engages in torture.

We also know why the activists weren't put in the hospitals like they thought they would be....not enough room with all the ammo and Iraqi soldiers in civilian clothes.

1,402 posted on 04/02/2003 9:39:00 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!)
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To: TomGuy
I had forgotten about them putting stuff in schools.

My question: if they're using hospitals, schools, etc., for their military, where are the Iraqi people going if they're sick or injured? Where are the kids going to school? Where are people going to worship if they're using mosques? (These, of course, are rhetorical questions.)

1,403 posted on 04/02/2003 9:39:42 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: bvw
Tom "Hammurabi" Daschle!

He's deeply "saddamed"...

1,404 posted on 04/02/2003 9:40:09 AM PST by null and void
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To: SandyInSeattle
Better to go out in a blaze of glory martyred for Allah? What a twisted group.

Yes, that way they get their 72 virgins. Additionally, several sources believe some of the elite troops are drugged.

1,405 posted on 04/02/2003 9:40:20 AM PST by mwl1
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I think the Iraqi regime could fold by the weekend...here's my theory..those high in authority, below Saddam and his sons, who want to revolt, have waited until US troops are close enough to support them..so, once we're surrounding Bagdad, 10-20 miles out....we could see a revolt lauched by a few Iraqi units..then US forces can rush in , unopposed, to support them....
1,406 posted on 04/02/2003 9:40:32 AM PST by ken5050
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To: cyncooper
He also implied it was not a dangerous mission,leaving out the diversionary action in another location.Is that what you heard.?
1,407 posted on 04/02/2003 9:40:36 AM PST by MEG33
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To: SandyInSeattle
I cannot comprehend what appears to be suicidal behavior by the Republican Guard.

Miltary is command from the top. They are following orders, and perhaps some sense of mortal defeatism (rather die fighting than be taken). Most of them, if ordered to give up, would. Failure to follow orders results in summary execution.

Very few of them are on the hook for war crimes. Only the very top of the pile, and those who use civilians as shields, fake surrender, etc. The men in the tanks die one way or the other, until their commander surrenders or is killed.

In other news:

3rd Division cross Euphrates north of Karbala at town called Al Musayyib, about 20 miles from Baghdad. That put them on the big highway to Baghdad. About 5 miles along is Al Iskandariyah, then a couple miles north is Latfiyah, and then, about 10 miles from Baghdad, is Al Mahmudiyah.

1,408 posted on 04/02/2003 9:41:02 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Sacajaweau
Just curious.....does anyone know where the US embassy in Badgad used to be, and wht it is now?
1,409 posted on 04/02/2003 9:41:49 AM PST by ken5050
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To: prairiebreeze
has there been more mention of the Medina's going down?

Yes, repeated mentions on Fox, referencing CENTCOM.

1,410 posted on 04/02/2003 9:43:45 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: mwl1
Thank you! Gets me primed for the day. (^;
1,411 posted on 04/02/2003 9:44:00 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The dagger is clearly pointed at the heart of the regime now." Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks)
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To: cyncooper
I just saw a report on FOx about the Brits finding a torture chamber in a police station in the South....they found meat hooks mounted on walls and electricity running to a metal bed. They found dozens of ID's in the police chiefs desk....people they had tortured and killed..
1,412 posted on 04/02/2003 9:44:36 AM PST by Dog ( CENTCOM spokesman on the POW rescue........"America doesn't leave its hero's behind....")
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To: AngryAmerican
I cannot remember which building it was in Baghdad--Information Ministry, some sort of communications center--that was built near or contained a day care center. We bombed it at night early in the war.
1,413 posted on 04/02/2003 9:44:37 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: johnb838
But we have a nice fresh heavy armored division ready to move in and park a tank on every corner.

That's not going to happen.

Heavy armor, gotta have it right? Man, it's a fetish for some around here. What is a tank on every corner going to accomplish? How is a mobile howitzer going to root out three fedayeen butchers from their apartment floor hideout? Are we going to search for caches of VX gas and botulism cultures with an AH-64? That's not how it's going to work.

We are going to engage in a massive construction program to build schools, roadways, hospitals, water and sewage treatment facilities, power plants etc. We're going to bring in doctors, teachers and engineers. We're going to keep the tribal hatred at an arms length. We're going to create a semblance of an organized governing structure. We're going to get the oil wells pumping again, the food and medicine moving throughout the state and vigorously destroy all pockets of remaining terrorists and combatants, and defend our people from terror attacks from abroad.

We're going to find and destroy all the gas, germs, nukes and missiles we find, and we'll expose and follow the many operational and financial audit trails linking Iraq to the international sponsors and operators of Islamic terror and murder.

Then, hopefully, we can get the hell out of there.

1,414 posted on 04/02/2003 9:44:45 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Kennard
Belly Girl was fun for awhile, but who is she, really?

She is someone who was willing to stand up and be counted in a demonstration where she was outnumbered 1000:1 by anti-American apeaseniks.

She did this without an M-16, with no training, and little "public support".

She stays.

Period.

1,415 posted on 04/02/2003 9:45:17 AM PST by null and void (Been there. Done that. Have the Tee shirt.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Haven't heard anything said by that person yet.

Suddenly silent, eh? Its rough when someone beats the crap out of your political agenda ... with rubber hoses.

1,416 posted on 04/02/2003 9:45:18 AM PST by TigersEye (Those who preach peace for tyrants thus condemn free men to battle.)
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To: Dog
Here's a link to the BBC story about the police station. I got nauseated reading it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2908827.stm
1,417 posted on 04/02/2003 9:46:01 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Sacajaweau
Interesting bit on those 4 journalists who were freed (the one was Gore's photographer). There was an activist freed with them.

Haven't heard anything said by that person yet. Maybe a lesson learned since they were held in a prison that engages in torture.

We also know why the activists weren't put in the hospitals like they thought they would be....not enough room with all the ammo and Iraqi soldiers in civilian clothes.

I heard something about that last night when the reporters and Gore's photographer were getting into some kind of vehicle. Sounds like they had a frightening time. One guy mentioned that they weren't tortured but could hear other prisoners being tortured.

1,418 posted on 04/02/2003 9:46:27 AM PST by Lauratealeaf (God be with out troops and President Bush)
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To: ken5050
does anyone know where the US embassy in Badgad used to be, and wht it is now?

This from the U.S. Department of State website:

We can not comment on the condition or any possible use of the property until we have had an opportunity to do an on-site assessment.

1,419 posted on 04/02/2003 9:46:36 AM PST by PrivateIdaho
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To: bvw
Tom "Hammurabi" Daschle!

That was hilarious! He called the Dem. Senate leaders cowards for letting the "generals" criticize the war plan. Let's hear it again: cowards. Yep.

1,420 posted on 04/02/2003 9:46:59 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The dagger is clearly pointed at the heart of the regime now." Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks)
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