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Columbia's De Genova responds -and it's worse than we thought!
Columbia Spectator ^ | Nicholas De Genova

Posted on 03/31/2003 12:06:24 PM PST by Ignatz

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To: PhilDragoo
Mr. Bollinger;

There is Freedom of Speech.

There are Fighting Words.

There is Discretion.

And,
A university doesn’t HAVE to hire mostly far-left professors.

Be honest.

201 posted on 03/31/2003 4:21:08 PM PST by Diddley (Those who have the facts present them; those who don't, rail.)
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To: Ignatz
Just sent out my letter:

Dear Mr. Bollinger--I would hope that you would question Professor De Genova's stated desire for a million Mogadishus to occur--18 young Americans died in Mogadishu--is DeGenova praying for 18 million young Americans to die?--I would argue that such a man, so fiiled with hatred of Republicans and American soldiers, does not deserve to have a job where he is teaching young Americans--he is at the very least a melodramatic nut--and may perhaps be a traitor to this country--My niece is a recent Columbia Journalism school graduate but she now feels somewhat ashamed of the fact--It is important for your faculty and students to know that the right of free speech does not mean that one has the right to say anything without consequences--the rest of America has started to grow up post 9/11--it may be time for Columbia University to let go of Vietnam and the sixties and to join your fellow countrymen in learning to respect and cherish our rights as Americans and not to flaunt those rights in such a spoiled and bratty manner--Sincerely, Ann P. Butler, NYC school teacher and family member of alumnae member P.S. American soldiers have been dying for nearly two centuries to guarantee our liberty--why don't they teach that in your school?
202 posted on 03/31/2003 4:21:27 PM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: N8VTXNinWV
Hey Lou, over here!
203 posted on 03/31/2003 4:22:05 PM PST by shezza
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To: Ignatz
Incredible. The muted response from the Provost or other administration officials at Columbia speaks volumes. As the parent of three outstanding students--one of whom have already qualified in terms of grades and SAT scores for Ivy League admission--please rest assured that Columbia will be given no support from me. While i will let my children be very involved in their college choice, I will at least require a vigorous debate before a choice is made. I can only hope that I can be persuasive--on the basis of episodes like the one involving this idiot de Genova--when they take me on.

Nice damage control, Columbia. Three exceptional candidates and a dad who can pay. "Oh who sweeps the streets....."

204 posted on 03/31/2003 4:29:08 PM PST by Zebra
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To: Landru; Mudboy Slim; sultan88
This was -- recently -- proven to be totally false!

YES--that was the case back in the days of the draft, but no longer true. Last report I heard some weeks ago, the minorities are entering the military with higher skills and are not the majority of those in the line of fire.

205 posted on 03/31/2003 4:32:32 PM PST by scholar
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To: Revolting cat!; wideawake
WideAwake as been around for quite some time, and I didn't intend to belittle him. He's not the only one who holds his arguements to be true. I disagree with them, but don't want to press the case to the point that it looks like a personal insult. Some of the arguements I post are intended to make people think about things in a new perspective, vs having to win the argument conclusively.

Thanks for the comments, both of you.

206 posted on 03/31/2003 4:34:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: BillyBonebrake
per whitepages.com Monday afternoon:

Nicholas DeGenova
438 W. 116 Street
Manhattan, NY 10027
212-864-7103

Not certain but pretty damn sure its him.
207 posted on 03/31/2003 5:44:14 PM PST by Extremist
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To: sistergoldenhair
Another anthropologist like Baucus' wife, Wanda? What is it with anthropology to spit out liberal leftists like these people? If this is the 3rd time for this de Genova for a tenured position, heaven help Columbia University and its students if this jerk gets tenured.
208 posted on 03/31/2003 5:45:47 PM PST by lilylangtree
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To: Ignatz
"...I stressed the necessity of repudiating all forms of U.S. patriotism."
-Nicholas De Genova-


209 posted on 03/31/2003 5:47:31 PM PST by Spruce
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To: Extremist
I would be sure it's him before posting personal info.
210 posted on 03/31/2003 5:51:10 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Ignatz
Okay, he explained himself...fine. He is still a piece of shit.
211 posted on 03/31/2003 5:51:43 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: lilylangtree
If this is the 3rd time for this de Genova for a tenured position, heaven help Columbia University and its students if this jerk gets tenured.

Columbia chooses these professors.
It says something about the quality of the Columbia staff and the university's preferred political direction.
Alumni contributors take note.

212 posted on 03/31/2003 5:55:25 PM PST by sistergoldenhair (Don't be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.)
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To: Ignatz
I also emphasized that the disproportionate majority of U.S. troops come from racially subordinated and working-class backgrounds and are in the military largely as a consequence of a treacherous lack of prospects for a decent life.

If you are so worried about this, why don't you join in protest?

213 posted on 03/31/2003 5:56:02 PM PST by Gamecock (IF YOU HAVE TO BE ONE, BE A BIG RED ONE! No Mission too Difficult! No Sacrifice too Great!)
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To: cyborg
I've been working on this all afternoon. I find people for a living and like I said: "I'm pretty damn sure its him". I posted a couple of times on more than one thread w/o the info. I've gotten affirmation through private replies that seem to affirm. If anyone learns this is incorrect, please let me know, I'll be the first to apoligize to the poor soul who shares a name with a traitor and just happens to live around the corner from Columbia.
214 posted on 03/31/2003 5:59:44 PM PST by Extremist
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To: 3AngelaD
Classic marxist language. Trotsky could have written it for him. He may as well draw a big, red hammer and sickle on his forehead.

Nothing whatever to add to that EXCELLANT summation!

I welcome such outbursts as they serve to awaken a great many to what some of us have LONG known about the political leanings of far to many currently teaching at this and other such “esteemed” universities. Hopefully, they will take this new found knowledge into consideration when contemplating little Johnny’s education.

215 posted on 03/31/2003 6:21:37 PM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Ignatz
"In my brief presentation, I outlined a long history of U.S. invasions, wars of conquest, military occupations, and colonization in order to establish that imperialism and white supremacy have been constitutive of U.S. nation-state formation and U.S. nationalism. In that context, I stressed the necessity of repudiating all forms of U.S. patriotism. I also emphasized that the disproportionate majority of U.S. troops come from racially subordinated and working-class backgrounds and are in the military largely as a consequence of a treacherous lack of prospects for a decent life."

Not only a traitor, but a blithering idiot.

Whoever told this moron that he actually qualified to call himself an "academic"? I'm serious. He's a total idiot, and we all know how difficult it is to achieve total idiocy.

216 posted on 03/31/2003 7:22:35 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Landru
"I'm thinking someone with advanced degree(s) in Anthropology?

...is grossly underqualified to work the Wendy's drive-thru. "


Perhaps his next gig will be getting Arnett's coffee.
217 posted on 03/31/2003 8:20:05 PM PST by conservativemusician (I'd play in Norah's band for free)
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To: sit-rep
Compared to Iraq, we are still a young country.

It doesn't take too much effort nor time to think back to our national infancy.

If Professor de Genaro were a professor in Philadelphia in 1778, and said something like 'our Loyal boys sent here for our own good and order should string up more of these incorrigible, rambunctious rebels that they find', why, if a few patriot colonists found him, he would have been immediately put before the musket.

If, during the War of 1812, he shouted from the Baltimore city rooftops "Long live the Crown! To Hell with the Republic", they would have him hanging by the yard's arm by sunrise the next day.

Yes, if this measly pipsqueak stood up at Bowdoin College in Maine in 1864 and said "Our cause is unjust and lost. More Union soldiers should spill their blood as in Gettysburg, only a thousand fold for their oppresive sins", why the local citizens would have seized him by the scruff of his neck and put out both eyes with a red hot fire poker.

Our nutty professor, posting a discourse in a Yale review, stating "We rape and murder across Europe this 1918. Let us raise our glasses in toast to the Kaiser and more mustard gas deaths for our rampaging troops in France!", why the weasel's head, once severed, would have been treated as a bloody, spurting soccer ball by local youths after the wives of servicemen abroad with their bare hands were finished with him.

I would dare that traitor in teaching at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles to raise both hands, facing west toward Imperial Tokyo, offer a rousing "Tenno Heika, Banzai! Banzai! Banzai! A million more Bataan Marches for the hegemonist white man in Asia!" on a winter's twilight in 1944; indeed they would need a spatula and a sponge to clean up what was left of him after the local USO or even the shoeshine boys nearby had heard of it.

This pathetic, spoiled little Spartacist is a disgrace to his position, and his American citizenship. I suggest mercy, and exiling him to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea where he can enjoy the true People's Paradise as an English teacher at Kim Il Sung University, until such time as he comes to his senses and realizes the sacred value of his unappreciated American Freedom. As we go to collect his sorry, wilting, 75-pound starving ass at Sunan Airport to mercifully bring Professor Nick home to the land he hates so well, maybe, and only then, will this decreprit and reprehensible excuse for a man offer the simple and hoped-for words:

"Sorry, Everyone. I Was Wrong"

218 posted on 03/31/2003 8:40:45 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (After watching days of Uncle Bunker Buster in action, Kim Jong-il is in BAD need of new underwear.)
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To: DoughtyOne
So what do you call yourself? An United Statesian? An USA'ian? There is no continent called 'America' - there's North America, South America and Central America (not a continent per se, but another common geographic reference). Everywhere around the world, when someone refers to Americans they are referring to U.S. citizens and everyone knows exactly what they mean. In fact, you could infer that the name United States OF America refers to America as the country and the States being OF (or from) America. Regardless of the literal accuracy, America is widely and historically synonomous with USA. The whole argument seems pretty silly to me.
219 posted on 03/31/2003 8:50:25 PM PST by enemy9oclock
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To: Zebra
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/27/3e82ec7193097

Published on March 27, 2003
Professors Condemn War in Iraq At Teach-in
By Margaret Hunt Gram
Spectator News Editor


Thirty members of Columbia's faculty presented a six-hour case against the current war in Iraq last night.
In a teach-in at Low Library, the professors spoke on issues related to Iraq, the United States, and the world. Their topics included international law, war crimes, the Bush administration's wartime actions, diplomacy, the media, cultural heritage in Iraq, activism, and the world after war.

In the fabric of diverse views that the speakers held, that sense of responsibility was a common thread. Many of the professors explicitly discussed the responsibilities of academics to act against the war. Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies Hamid Dabashi called them "'A' students," in contrast to the "'C' students" who he says are running the government, while Ruggles Professor of Political Science Ira Katznelson simply referred to "scholars and intellectuals."

Their responsibility has been made even more urgent, many professors said, by a new world order in which an increasingly corporate media is in bed with the military.

Roger Normand, adjunct associate professor of international and public affairs, referred to "the naked open shameless lies that our government is giving us directly through our mass media."

Brigitte Nacos, adjunct professor of political science, compared CNN's war coverage to "real reality television," stating that "the watchdog of government has become its lapdog."

Michael Ratner, a lecturer at the law school and fellow at the Center for Constitutional Rights, urged the American people to "watch BBC, CBC, anything--but not the media here."

Gary Sick, adjunct professor of international and public affairs, advised students to go to the White House web site and read the National Security document--"instead of watching another horrible round of CNN coverage with embedded reporters."

Some had more specific condemnations of the media. Ratner cited the Iraqi uprising against Saddam Hussein that allegedly took place in Basra, then declared it a fabrication of the American and British administrations in media. Nacos said that the media has made too much of "freedom toast" and "not enough of the fact that there was no evidence of a connection between Sept. 11 and Iraq."

Yehouda Shenhav, a visiting associate professor of sociology, posed another point of view.

"People are attacking the media, and I don't see the point," he said. "Media coverage is about covering--so they cover this war, and they cover it, and they keep covering it until you can't see anything any more."

The subject most discussed, however, was the war itself. Some described the war as a neocolonial American attempt at world domination.

"This is an administration that mistakes coercive power for consent ... and is willing to flirt with a new form of colonialism," Katznelson said. Shenhav compared the war to "Israeli act of aggression in the West Bank," citing them as "acts of colonialism" led by "crude military men."

Many professors lamented that American foreign relations had failed, and that both the country and its international neighbors would suffer in consequence.

"The current administration, or at least powerful factions within it, welcomed the fact of the collapse of the international system," said Alan Brinkley, Allan Nevins professor of history. "Extricating the U.S. from its obligations to the rest of the world has been one of the more important objectives of the right for the past century, and now there is an administration that is willing to do so."

The Bush government's recent actions in Iraq, which some speakers saw as a disregard for international law, were an oft-addressed concern.

"Democracy requires that people adhere to the same rules and norms that they want other people to adhere to," Professor of English and Comparative Literature Bruce Robbins stated. "The thuggery of preemptive war leaves all rules and norms behind.

Taking this doctrine seriously, any nation could claim at any moment that it is threatened by any other and start bombing."

Bush and his administration also took personal blows.

Robbins called them "shameless liars and hypocrites."

Remarked Professor of Journalism and Sociology Todd Gitlin, "The Bush administration, instead of answering reporters' more difficult questions, repeats mantras--9/11, Iraq, 9/11, Iraq--a Pavlovian association on the basis of dubious claims and outright forgeries."

Katznelson stated that "the Bush administration has failed spectacularly--even if it wins this war militarily." He elaborated: "This administration abhors real politics, where outcomes might be provisional and uncertain--the hallmarks of any democracy. ... Let us not accept the erosion of real politics."

Others offered advice to the Bush administration.

"I would be careful in promising wrath, shocking and awesome, to those who dismiss and ignore legitimate election results," Associate Professor of Anthropology Rosalind Morris told the absent Bush. "People might take you seriously and respond."

Civil rights in the United States, in wartime and afterward, was another heavily covered topic.

Marc Van de Mieroop of MEALAC said that war scares him because it is an excuse for the erosion of rights.

"I know that my phone is tapped, that e-mails are read, that mail is opened. I have the sense of unease, the loss of privacy, and also the fear to speak out, to write--will what I say tonight be held against me when I have to appear in court?"

Brinkley was also concerned about surveillance, stating that one of the Bush administration's objectives has been "to enhance government's ability to gather info about citizens while limiting citizens' ability to gather information about their government."

Robbins offered a different approach to coping with the current administration. "Lately, I have taken to sitting around fantasizing about being liberated at any moment by the European invasion," he said. "I figure the Europeans will realize that I live under an unelected government that has no respect for the rule of law, and that nothing short of violence can lead to regime change. Maybe they'll call their operation 'American Freedom.'"

One of the most divisive issue among the participants was patriotism. An exchange over the subject was sparked by Nicholas DeGenova, a professor of anthropology who was a last-minute addition to the program.

"Peace is not patriotic," DeGenova began. "Peace is subversive, because peace anticipates a very different world than the one in which we live--a world where the U.S. would have no place."

"U.S. patriotism is inseparable from imperial warfare and white supremacy," he said. "U.S. flags are the emblem of the invading war machine in Iraq today. They are the emblem of the occupying power. The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military."

Between DeGenova's condemnation of patriotism and his call for "fragging"--"I wish," he said, "for a million Mogadishus"--his speech provoked many of the professors who spoke later in the night to assert their disagreement.

Robbins, who immediately followed DeGenova, said he believed in a kind of patriotism that was not incommensurable with opposition to the war. As the evening drew to a close, Eric Foner, Dewitt Clinton professor of history, described one such type of patriotism.

"I refuse to cede the definition of American patriotism to George W. Bush," Foner said, drawing a cheer from the audience. "I have a different definition of patriotism, which comes from Paul Robeson: The patriot is the person who is never satisfied with his country."

Foner listed great historical patriots who fit that definition: Frederick Douglass, Susan B. Anthony, Eugene Debs, Martin Luther King, Jr. They were never satisfied with their country, he said, and "it is in the same spirit as theirs that this teach-in is a great patriotic event."

Dabashi was excited by the teach-in format. "Because there are no answers to our questions about this war, we just get angrier and angrier," Dabashi said. "But this is where the blessed thing called 'teach-in' comes in handy. Tonight, we think for ourselves.

Revenge of the nerdy 'A' students against the stupid 'C' students with their stupid fingers on the trigger."

Barbara Fields, a professor of history whose 10-minute speech was particularly well-received, also emphasized the importance of speaking out.

"Why talk when the war has already begun?" Fields asked.

"Because we must talk. We must talk in order to recover language, including our own, as a vehicle for speaking the truth rather than telling lies and spreading propaganda."

As their 10-minute segments wrapped up, professors urged students to continue fighting against the war.

"Tonight, I'm happy to see you in this room," Ratner said. "But tomorrow, I don't want to see you in a room. I want to see you in the streets, I want to see you on the phones, I want to see you e-mailing, I want to see you out there protesting this war."

Ratner and his colleagues seemed encouraged by the whole day of protest, which also included a 500-student rally and talk of an attempt to occupy Low Library by a few spirited anti-war students.

"What makes me optimistic is the fact that in a few months, we have built up the most major international peace movement I have ever seen," Ratner continued. "And it's one that may stop this war."

Not all professors believed that protest had the potential to stop the war.

"The only way of countering the offensive policy, the empire, that the Bush administration has advocated and acted upon ... is through an appeal to law, chiefly the Security Council and the General Assembly of the United Nations," said Anders Stephanson, professor of history.

Voices in support of the war were absent. While an anti-war rally earlier in the day had drawn around seventy flag-clad war supporters, this event drew few vocal dissenters.

Perhaps those who were the most discontented were the hundreds of students who stood outside in the rain waiting to attend the event. The students could not immediately enter the overflowing rotunda because of fire marshal restrictions. In their anger at the guards who were refusing their colleagues entry, the students shouted repeatedly, "Let them in!"

Hundreds of students spent up to two hours in line, snaking down the stairs, around Alma Mater, and down college walk toward Broadway. All who waited were eventually afforded entrance.
220 posted on 03/31/2003 9:05:32 PM PST by cinFLA
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