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Soldiers forced to become suicide bombers (Deserter:"everybody will rise up against Saddam")
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| March 30 2003, 3:15 AM
Posted on 03/29/2003 2:46:12 PM PST by 11th_VA
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"If they (the coalition) attack and finish Baghdad, everybody will rise up against Saddam. It will be finished for him," he added.
This is encouraging.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:46:13 PM PST
by
11th_VA
To: 11th_VA
If accurate this report is indeed encouraging.
On the basis of the "teaser" I hastened in to caution that some of these guys, by this time are probably practiced at telling folks what they want to hear. But I noted near the end, that these guys might of actually been wading through reporters to make their surrender, i.e. their stories seem completely unsolicited or "developed" by/via interrogation.
To: 11th_VA
It is encouraging, but it's contrary to what the New York Times, ABC and the other Nattering Nabobs of Negativism are telling us.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:54:33 PM PST
by
tomahawk
To: 11th_VA; *war_list; W.O.T.; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; MadIvan; PhiKapMom; ...
To: 11th_VA
"If they (the coalition) attack and finish Baghdad, everybody will rise up against Saddam. It will be finished for him"
This is stupid! That's like saying "...if they kill Saddam we will rise up against him..."
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:59:02 PM PST
by
Slehn
(No one will ever associate the word "courage" with "Ivy League")
To: 11th_VA
"If they (the coalition) attack and finish Baghdad, everybody will rise up against Saddam. It will be finished for him," he added. So we defeat Saddam then they will rise up against him?? he is gone by then... what a cheapskate.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:59:18 PM PST
by
smith288
(Visit my gallery http://www.ejsmithweb.com/fr/hollywood/hollywood.php)
To: cyncooper
Encouraging ping.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:02:21 PM PST
by
EllaMinnow
("Dark days are coming for the Dark Side")
To: 11th_VA
Hmmmm? We blew up 200 of the paramilitary yesterday.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:06:45 PM PST
by
CyberAnt
To: 11th_VA
If they are being told they have a choice between getting shot or committing suicide while killing the forces who are trying to liberate their families, why are they choosing the latter? Either way they die, but at least if they refuse to do it, they'd be dying for the liberation of their people and not taking other lives with them.
To: Slehn
"If they (the coalition) attack and finish Baghdad, everybody will rise up .."Not all that stupid. If Saddam's control is gone, you'll see the populace go after the fedayeen and the Ba'athists and the other surviving members of Saddam's regime. For example, Uday isn't really a well-liked guy without the fear and the power to hand out goodies or decide life and death. And, I'm sure there are some who have grudges against Chemical Ali. The list goes on and on and on. We don't know everyone who has benefited from their positions, but the locals do.
To: tomahawk
So why do you waste your time listening to them?
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:21:10 PM PST
by
rollin
To: tiredoflurking
They threatened their families too.
It's encouraging, but I say we wait until we are ready. The more tactics like this, the more even the guards will turn on Saddam.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:21:53 PM PST
by
DannyTN
(Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
To: DK Zimmerman
I hope this deserter is telling the truth. Joe Galloway claims that even the Iraqis who hate Saddam will fight for "Iraq" against the foreign invaders. Can 23 million people collectively suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?
The Civil War might have ended differently if the 4 million slaves had been willing to fight to the death on behalf of the Confederacy. That's what the naysayers are predicting--that the Iraqis will fight against being freed. The Germans did so until the end of the war in 1945, but the average "Aryan" German was much less likely to have an immediate relative who had suffered at the hands of the regime than is the case in Iraq today.
How much of an effort is being made to get the word to the Iraqis living in Baghdad and Basra that we don't have any desire to control their country? We just want to get rid of Saddam and get rid of the weapons of mass destruction, and then go home...but undoubtedly they are being told something quite different by the regime.
To: Slehn
"If they (the coalition) attack and finish Baghdad, everybody will rise up against Saddam. It will be finished for him" This is stupid! That's like saying "...if they kill Saddam we will rise up against him..."
Maybe, but here is what I have thought for a while: Iraq will be more difficult than Afghanistan was, but once the Iraqi government falls, it will have fallen for good. IMHO, a year from now we may still be mopping up in Afghanistan, but Iraq will be completely over. Maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong. But isn't this a bit similar to what the Iraqi in question is saying.
To: tomahawk
It is encouraging, but it's contrary to what the New York Times, ABC and the other Nattering Nabobs of Negativism are telling us.Yes. Actually there have been stories here and there all along. The regular press types that inhabit the briefings refuse to believe it. They scorn the administration for saying the Iraqi people want to be liberated. Some have come close to mocking the notion in the briefings. It's those that encounter these people that tell the stories, and why Torie felt compelled to show that story of the woman who was tortured to the press today. I missed the actual briefing, but from what I saw, the reporters did not seem moved.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:46:22 PM PST
by
cyncooper
("Some of the Iraqis... 'told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start.'")
To: Slehn
This is stupid!Ah, chill out. It's not stupid. They don't have the means to overthrow these tyrants on their own. They're saying they will not tolerate staying under the yoke of another oppressor if we lift it from their shoulders.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:48:43 PM PST
by
cyncooper
("Some of the Iraqis... 'told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start.'")
To: rollin
So why do you waste your time listening to them?Sorry, it is not a waste of time. It is very useful to listen, then to counter the spin they are trying to put out there.
We've actually been doing it, by complaining to local affiliates and such about the boorish behavior of network reporters.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:50:55 PM PST
by
cyncooper
("Some of the Iraqis... 'told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start.'")
To: cyncooper
Agree. Also, Rummy said the other day that we need them to finger the baddies after this is done.
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posted on
03/29/2003 4:04:08 PM PST
by
easonc52
To: 11th_VA
"If they (the coalition) attack and finish Baghdad, everybody will rise up against Saddam. It will be finished for him,"
I wish they would rise up a little sooner and help!
To: easonc52
Rummy said the other day that we need them to finger the baddies after this is done.Apparently, they're doing that already. I just saw an NBC! newscast showing the allies invading houses where the Iraqis told us Saddam's troops were hiding.
There will probably be some grudge finger pointings, just like there were in Afghanistan, but on the whole, the Iraqis who can find a safe way to tell are going to do it ASAP.
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