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Hundreds of Iraqis killed in four-day battle for Kifl (3rd Infantry UPDATE)
Reuters AlertNet ^
| 29 Mar 2003 19:45:36 GMT
| By Kieran Murray
Posted on 03/29/2003 12:36:17 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: xJones
Reuters would have had Americans calling for FDR to surrender in any battle that we had in WWII.
Its reporters must have to flunk a drug test to be hired.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:01:51 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
To: JackRyanCIA
"Anyone know what weapon system Iraqi snipers use? Draganov?
"
I doubt they are talking about real sniper fire. This is meant to mean they were hidden, taking pot-shots.
To: deport
Somebody once said: "War is Hell"
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:09:08 PM PST
by
Mad_Tom_Rackham
(Open the pod bay door HAL.)
To: xJones
Maybe this caused that sucking sound and sucked the Iraqis from their hiding places.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:10:00 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
To: Seattle
Sorry dude, but your nephew was hoodwinked by some of the older guys in his unit. To be honest, most guys in the Armor community believe this, but it is a myth that has been around for more than a few years.
The kinetic energy unleashed on impact by these type of rounds is so incredible, it essentially vaporizes/liquifies human tissue. Plus the secondary explosions from a hit to the fuel or main gun ammo carousel(Soviet designed tanks had virtually no regard for crew comfort or suvivability) make for a nice pyrotechnic display (and the true cause of popped turrets).
That is why you "never" find bodies in tanks hit by SABOT rounds.
To: gcruse
Veterans of Grand Theft Auto III will recognize this scene.LOL!
To: deport
"We'd shoot a machine gun at them and they wouldn't stop
Wonder how much qat you have to chew to get that high?
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:35:41 PM PST
by
gcruse
(If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
To: marktwain; Physicist
I'm thinking that the shockwave effects from a hyper-sonic projectile going thru a semi-confined space (ground and walls, but open to the sky) might be different from what you would see in an open area.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:36:01 PM PST
by
SauronOfMordor
(Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
To: Zack Nguyen
Nothing -- no weapon ever yet invented -- can be fired entirely through a tank. Even the oldest and least sophisticated tanks are protected by at least four inches of steel on the front, sides and tops. No projectile actually "penetrates" through that. The DU shells, however, does the best approximation, by drilling a hole through the impact surface.
Billybob
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:38:18 PM PST
by
Congressman Billybob
("Saddam has left the building. Heck, the building left the building.")
To: deport
The U.S. military cleans up the bodies to prevent diseases from being spread after they decompose, Nixon said. The body bags were laid in rows of five on a shaded roadside so that the deceased's heads faced Mecca, the holy city for Muslims. One could never imagine the Iraqis giving a US soldier a Christian burial. Even in defeat, the Iraqis don't deserve the US Military.
90
posted on
03/29/2003 2:44:02 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
To: 11th_VA
Wave after wave of Iraqi soldiers and paramilitaries had set up mortar positions The author had this neat phrase he wanted to use but didn't have any place where it would be relevant, or else he doesn't even know what it means, so he just inserted it almost randomly.
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posted on
03/29/2003 2:52:53 PM PST
by
arthurus
To: 11th_VA
"But the guerrilla-style forces were vastly outgunned by the tanks of the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division, and hundreds of Iraqis have died in this town over the last four days." This is how it will have to be. The Fedayeen must be exterminated to a man.
To: FredZarguna
Don't belive even Monica has an aperture than can clear 120 mm. Jimmy Carter might.
To: Clean_Sweep; JackRyanCIA
Anyone know what weapon system Iraqi snipers use? Draganov? Appears we were using the Dragemoff counter technique.
To: Mark Felton
Thanks! I sure would like to see that, but not under those circumstances.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:36:10 PM PST
by
Joee
To: Mark Felton
I've seen these rounds fired over open ground. They leave a dust trail over ground and plants and trees all bend in the vicinity. If a round is fired down a narrow street or alley then that suction would be magnified certainly. Still, that much though? Is it suction, or is it a shock wave effect? I think these rounds are supersonic. Along a narrow street, the shock wave would bash people hard, and then they'd simply fall down.
At any rate, I'll bet nobody outside those tankers even knew you could do that.
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posted on
03/29/2003 3:38:29 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: marktwain
The plains Indians knew how to fight, and much better than this. Man for man, they were better than our cavalry.Well, they knew how to fight the way THEY were accustomed to fighting. But their way of fighting was more like a game than war.
When they really wanted to put one over on the enemy, they did it sneakily, at night, slitting throats and stealing horses.
When they went "visible" it was no more "war" than a teens' game of "Capture the Flag."
FWIW, this myth that they were a "great horse cavalry" is baloney.
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posted on
03/29/2003 4:24:49 PM PST
by
Illbay
(Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
To: San Jacinto; Poohbah; BlueLancer; general_re
The officers said the tank unit fired two 120 mm high velocity depleted uranium rounds straight down the main road, creating a powerful vacuum that literally sucked guerrillas out from their hideaways into the street, where they were shot down by small arms fire or run over by the tanks.Is the tank commander having a litle fun with the reporter?
Dunno the subject first hand, but that's how I'd bet.
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posted on
03/29/2003 4:29:10 PM PST
by
dighton
(Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique)
To: dighton
I could swear that I read a similar antidote with a Challenger tank in Basra a few days ago. Crew claimed that they had fired down a street and pulled everyone into the center of the street from the vacuum of the shell.
To: 11th_VA
creating a powerful vacuum that literally sucked guerrillas out from their hideaways into the street, where they were shot down by small arms fire or run over by the tanks. Just reading this makes me smile.
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posted on
03/29/2003 5:00:38 PM PST
by
laz17
(Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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