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SARS is much worse than is being reported
Personal American friends living in Hong Kong | CometBaby

Posted on 03/29/2003 5:30:08 AM PST by CometBaby

My American friends living in Hong Kong called last night. The SARS in Hong Kong is much worse than has been reported. China has been fudging on the number of cases. He said that the number of new infections have been DOUBLING DAILY. It's spreading like wildfire. It's more contageous than has been admitted and there is no cure. The schools have all closed and many workplaces are not requiring employees to come in. They expect the Airport to CLOSE .. nobody knows exactly when, and people are scrambling to get out of the country before it does. The hospitals are all full and they plan to begin to quaranteen people in their homes.

He said that walking in Hong Kong is absolutely surreal .. everyone is wearing masks. And another thing .. they are running out of masks. It's really bad.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atypicalpneumonia; epidemic; hongkong; mysteryvirus; sars
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To: Lloyd227
That Michael Fumento article has already had a thread of its own, and posters have pointed out that his argument is full of holes. Most notably, the 1918 Spanish flu had nothing like a 33% mortality rate. The true mortality rate was very much like that which SARS seems to have.
61 posted on 03/29/2003 7:05:30 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
The deaths seem to occur mostly in people over 40. As Jack Benny traveled extensively in the far east, I figure he must have had some advance warning, and refused to ever be older than 39.
62 posted on 03/29/2003 7:06:09 AM PST by per loin
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To: Lloyd227
Super? At this writing, SARS appears to have killed 49 people out of 1,323 afflicted according to the World Health Organization, a death rate of less than four percent. In Hong Kong, that alleged "worst medical disaster" has killed 10 people out of 316 known victims. But since this only takes into account those ill enough to seek medical help, the actual ratio of deaths to infections is certainly far less.

In contrast, the 1918-1919 flu pandemic killed approximately a third of the 60 million afflicted

The Spanish flu may have killed a third of the victims that were hospitalized or bedridden. Many more may have simply fought it off. The actual mortality of the Spanish flu is thought to be about 2.5%. SARS mortality may be less than the current 3.7% rate for the same reason.

I don't think Mr. Fumento's attitude is helpful. The flu kills the young and elderly and immune-compromised. This virus, as did the Spanish flu in 1918, afflicts very healthy people in their prime.

Regarding SARS virulence, many of the current index cases of SARS were infected by simply staying on the same hotel rooom floor as a sick doctor. We don't know how virulent SARS would be if the victims are ambulatory.

Even with strong infection controls in Singapore and Toronto (not medical backwaters), cases are increasing. There are even early reports of community-acquired cases, cases that are not directly connected to the known index cases.

It bears watching and Fumento's complacence is not warranted.

63 posted on 03/29/2003 7:12:02 AM PST by larrysav
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To: aristeides
You may well be right about Fumento's credibility. I'm not to judge. Although I work in the healthcare industry, this is an area where I simply do not have enough information to separate myth from reality.

and... this just in...

WHO official dies of killer respiratory illness

The World Health Organisation (WHO) doctor who first identified the fast-spreading pneumonia that has killed 54 people worldwide has himself died of the disease, the United Nations agency said on Saturday local time.

Dr Carlo Urbani, 46, identified the outbreak of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in an US businessman admitted to hospital in Hanoi in Vietnam, where Dr Urbani was based.

The virus, which has flu-like symptoms, has infected about 1,500 people.

"Because of his early detection of SARS, global surveillance was heightened and many new cases have been identified and isolated before they infected hospital staff," the WHO said in a statement.

WHO director-general Gro Harlem Brundtland paid tribute to Urbani, who was married with three children.

"His life reminds us again of our true work in public health," she said.

link to the article here

64 posted on 03/29/2003 7:13:42 AM PST by Lloyd227 (While I don't claim to know what the truth is, this was an interesting read)
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To: 11B3
OooooooH! Interesting book by Stephen King.

We shall see.

65 posted on 03/29/2003 7:16:13 AM PST by Thommas
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To: TaxRelief
We don't know and can't calculate the mortality rate of SARS, because only those with the most serious complication (atypical pneumonia) seek medical care

Yes. The same is true for the reported mortality rate of the 1918 Spanish flu. Fumento is trying to have it both ways. See my #63.

66 posted on 03/29/2003 7:17:07 AM PST by larrysav
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To: riri
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67 posted on 03/29/2003 7:19:40 AM PST by riri
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To: Textide
Anyone know the origin of the offense?

Illiterate class war mongers in the U.S. get offended at anything they are too stupid to understand. Example: You may find this explanation niggardly, but a moron in an inner-city public school administration would make a federal case out of it.

68 posted on 03/29/2003 7:31:37 AM PST by eno_
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To: Textide
Orientals vs. Asians...

I don't think you were actually ticketed by the language police, but that's because FR is not their home turf.

Language police arbitrarily proclaim some words to be insulting, and then stick a label on you ('insensitive', 'racist', etc.) when you continue to use them.
69 posted on 03/29/2003 7:31:47 AM PST by Tax Government
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To: Jim Noble
>>It's more contageous than has been admitted <<

Actually, CDC has been very forthcoming about this. We know exactly how contagious it is.

We are not acting as if we know what to do about it-but we certainly are not covering anything up with regard to the extreme "contagiousness" of the SARS agent.

is that an imperial "we" or do you move in the CDC world?

70 posted on 03/29/2003 7:34:49 AM PST by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok
I am not a CDC employee or consultant, but you could say that I am in the information loop.
71 posted on 03/29/2003 7:39:02 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: goldstategop
Not every one has died from SARS

A question I am still hoping to see an answer for:

What's the ratio of death to recovery (exclude the living afflicted -- we don't have, um, final resolution on those cases yet)?

72 posted on 03/29/2003 7:50:49 AM PST by Eala
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To: goldstategop
Captain Trips

I've seen this several times, but don't know the reference...

73 posted on 03/29/2003 7:51:49 AM PST by Eala
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To: Textide
Thank you for raising this issue. No one has ever been able to explain to me why "oriental" is a pejorative term.

I've always assumed that this is just another in the series of PC New Think terms.

My Lord, Ford. . .

74 posted on 03/29/2003 7:59:16 AM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: Eala
Captain Tripps is the nickname given to a disease which escapes a laboratory in a Stephen King novel, The Stand.
75 posted on 03/29/2003 8:06:35 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: RayChuang88
and also the fact back in 1918 personal hygiene was nowhere as good as it is today

How would personal hygiene really matter if it's the flu? Clean people get the flu.

76 posted on 03/29/2003 8:15:06 AM PST by FITZ
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To: larrysav
Regarding SARS virulence, many of the current index cases of SARS were infected by simply staying on the same hotel rooom floor as a sick doctor.

Breathing recycled air isn't safe ---it seems like we should go back to opening windows and trying to breathe fresh outside air.

77 posted on 03/29/2003 8:18:17 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
One news report I read indicated that the hotel floor was a smoking floor. There may have been ventilation issues. Also, smokers may be more as risk for the virus and pneumonia.
78 posted on 03/29/2003 8:22:27 AM PST by larrysav
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To: Tax Government; doberville; eno_; PackerBoy
I didn't think I was ticketed, just looking for an explanation from someone who corrected another poster about the use of the term.

BTW - Found this....

"Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Oriental—meaning “eastern”—is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable."

....here. Not very substantive, but at least it's an explanation of sorts. Just don't see why other cultures would be offended by the way Europeans describe their location, but oh well...Asians it is.

79 posted on 03/29/2003 8:26:26 AM PST by Textide
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To: FrdmLvr
That's what I was wondering. All these diseases jumping species is hard for me to believe, I am of the mindset that bioweapons labs are sloppy. I've seen a lot of data about this.
80 posted on 03/29/2003 8:27:02 AM PST by equus
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