Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

No More Smoking In N.Y. Businesses - $1,000 penalty for violations
mycfnow ^

Posted on 03/28/2003 5:19:39 PM PST by chance33_98

No More Smoking In N.Y. Businesses

State Law Tougher Than Upcoming NYC Law

Posted: 3:13 p.m. EST March 27, 2003

ALBANY, N.Y. -- New York has joined California and Delaware as the only states to ban smoking in virtually all businesses.

Legislation signed by Gov. George Pataki ends smoking in most places that had still allowed it -- bars, certain restaurants, betting parlors, bowling alleys, pool halls and even in company cars.

Exemptions include private residences, personal cars, Indian casinos and New York City cigar bars already registered.

The statewide measure is even tougher than a separate smoking ban due to go into effect in New York City. That measure allows smoking rooms in restaurants and bars equipped with special ventilation.

The law sets a $1,000 penalty for violations.


TOPICS: Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: nazi; plunder; pufflist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-51 next last
To: qam1
My Assemblyman (Fitzpatrick) also voted against the measure. I have called his office to thank him for his vote.

Still haven't heard from Flanagan, but that's OK...the longer he makes me wait, the angrier I'm going to be, and I'm already pretty ticked off as it is.

In related news, keep an eye on RINO Senator Ken LaValle...he's the genius trying to push through legislation that will allow NYS to collect taxes on ALL internet purchases. I've got a call in to his office, too.

One of the other posters on this thread commented on how we here in New York truly have no choice but to vote third party -- there is literally NO difference between the GOP and Dems -- and ten bucks says nobody will be able to show me proof otherwise.

Regards,
21 posted on 03/29/2003 4:58:46 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98

With the stroke of a pen politicians turn millions of people minding their own business into criminals.

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How could so many people thinking they're right be so wrong.


22 posted on 03/29/2003 5:26:58 AM PST by Zon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid

Unfortunately, RJR and the other tobacco companies cannot do what you suggest. It is ILLEGAL for them to stop selling cigarettes in any state that participated in the Master Settlement Agreement.

If so, it's a blatant scam to enrich governments and the tort lawyers. That's redundant because the tobacco lawsuit was an obvious scam/fraud on its face.

23 posted on 03/29/2003 5:33:21 AM PST by Zon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid
Come on, VK, you've gotta admit it was pretty nice of Pataki to let people smoke in their own homes and cars.

Bastid makes me ashamed to be Greek (and so does my senator Olympia! Snowe).

24 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:25 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: qam1

You got that right, Not one freaking Republican Senator voted against this nonsense

With the stroke of a pen politicians turn millions of people minding their own business into criminals.

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How could so many people thinking they're right be so wrong.

25 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:50 AM PST by Zon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Zon
Of course it was/is a scam!

If I had my way, the ONLY people not eligible to run for public office would be...lawyers. Never met one I'd invite into my home.

Regards,
26 posted on 03/29/2003 2:46:21 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: metesky
You know, metesky...you're right. I guess I should be on my knees licking Pataki's boots at the boon he has granted us Twisted and Evil Smokers.

What a guy.

Regards,

PS: I thought Pataki was a Hungarian...never met a Greek whose middle name was Elmer...
27 posted on 03/29/2003 2:48:05 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid; Clemenza
One of the other posters on this thread commented on how we here in New York truly have no choice but to vote third party -- there is literally NO difference between the GOP and Dems -- and ten bucks says nobody will be able to show me proof otherwise.

I would up that $$ amount even further. Our GOP here in New York is further to the left than many if not most other states Democrats.

Pataki and our GOP are just as bad or even worse than Grey Davis and the liberal Democrats out in California. Yes we only have a $10 Billion deficit compared their $35 Billion but it reality it's much higher. Unlike Davis Pataki doesn't have to have a balanced budget so he can and has borrowed the deficit down and Pataki just passes his spending Boondoggles on to the counties which is one of the reasons why almost every county had double digit tax increases this past year. And even with our deficits Pataki is still planning to add 720,000 more New Yorkers to our already over burdened medicaid.

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/fhplus/letter.htm

Hillary Clinton only wishes she could have done half as much to socialize health care as Pataki already has done in New York.

Speaking of which If you read many of the post around here in FR, many people are hoping that Pataki takes out Hillary in 2006. I for one do not. I wouldn't cast a vote for Pataki even if his opponent was Satan himself. I worked for his campaign in 1994 agaist Mario and I am really sorry I did. I am just hoping Dante was right because the lowest pits of hell awaits the ultimate traitor Pataki

Unfortunately as to third party candidates, We don't even have that in New York. Golisano was also a leftist/socialist and the Conservative Party LOL! that's not a real political party it's a scam they back whomever will give their members the most political patronage jobs. So we are talking about 5th and 6th party candidates. A conservative in France or any other socialist European country has better people to vote for than we do in New York.

28 posted on 03/29/2003 3:54:40 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid
If I had my way, the ONLY people not eligible to run for public office would be...lawyers. Never met one I'd invite into my home.

I agree 100%. Lawyers making laws is the ultimate inmates running the asylum scenario.

I remember I actually wrote an essay on that in high school, The topic was if you can go back in time and change one thing I wrote I would go back and tell the Founding Fathers to put that in the constitution.

29 posted on 03/29/2003 4:12:44 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Great Dane
Soooo sorry to disappoint you.

Get well soon.

Thank you, But I am still hoping you are wrong and this is all a terrible dream.

Surprizingly This hasn't been reported anywhere up here so they did do a good job of sneaking it through.

30 posted on 03/29/2003 4:16:24 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: qam1
qam, I couldn't have said it better myself. I hear Virginia's Dems are more GOP than NY GOPers. Is this true? 'Cause I've been surfing on realtor.com & have found lots of lovely properties I'd love to own one day. (Just under 6 years to go and I'm FREEEE!!!)

Regards,
31 posted on 03/29/2003 4:38:28 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid
You might be right, after all smoking is the national sport in Greece.
32 posted on 03/29/2003 5:19:19 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: qam1
The bill had its critics.


Sen. John Sabini, a Democrat who represents New York City's borough of Queens, said the state was doing a disservice to bar and restaurant owners who've built rooms with ventilation systems to comply with an exemption to the city's ban. The state law carries no such exemption.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030327/ap_on_re_us/smoking_ban_2




33 posted on 03/29/2003 5:29:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid
Hey Pallie,

You can count my family as 'real republicans' in NY. So add another 6 more to your tally! You could count me, but I did good on my promise to leave NYC if Rodham became senator, and I was out within a year of her swearing in!

Life is much better in Las Vegas, NV.
34 posted on 03/29/2003 5:33:25 PM PST by HitmanLV
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: HitmanNY
Is the leaning tower of Pizza still in Vegas?
35 posted on 03/29/2003 5:38:25 PM PST by TLBSHOW
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Hodapp
If RJR and the other cigarette companies had any balls, they'd announce that it was just too expensive to do business in New York, California and any other state with these fascist smoking laws, and announce no more cigarette shipments to those states. *POOF* go tax receipts.

That would be a masterstroke!
(Mind you I have no love for the tobacco companies which gladly took on the role of tax collectors!)

If no tobacco company allowed sales in California and New York, these states could then not legally argue that its citizens had to pay sales tax for buying out of state.

Everybody wins (except the clymers).

36 posted on 03/29/2003 5:53:21 PM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid
qam, I couldn't have said it better myself. I hear Virginia's Dems are more GOP than NY GOPers. Is this true? 'Cause I've been surfing on realtor.com & have found lots of lovely properties I'd love to own one day. (Just under 6 years to go and I'm FREEEE!!!)

Well I am not sure exactly in terms of state government but it wouldn't surprise me. Out of 11 (National) House delegates only 4 are Dems, 3 are apparently Liberals but 1 Virgil Goode has a higher lifetime conservative rating than any of the NY GOPers.

In Virginia the Dems are powerless even the Rat governor, The Republicans have a veto proof majority in both houses and unlike New York they actually act like Republicans.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/836004/posts

And Check Out Virginia's Smoking Laws

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+15.2-2801

§ 15.2-2801. Statewide regulation of smoking.

A. The Commonwealth or any agency thereof and every locality shall provide reasonable no-smoking areas, considering the nature of the use and the size of the building, in any building owned or leased by the Commonwealth or any agency thereof or a locality. The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to office, work or other areas of the Department of Corrections which are not entered by the general public in the normal course of business or use of the premises.

B. Smoking shall be prohibited in (i) elevators, regardless of capacity, except in any open material hoist elevator, not intended for use by the public; (ii) public school buses; (iii) the interior of any public elementary, intermediate, and secondary school; (iv) hospital emergency rooms; (v) local or district health departments; (vi) polling rooms; (vii) indoor service lines and cashier lines; (viii) public restrooms in any building owned or leased by the Commonwealth or any agency thereof; (ix) the interior of a child day center licensed pursuant to § 63.2-1701 that is not also used for residential purposes; however, this prohibition shall not apply to any area of a building not utilized by a child day center, unless otherwise prohibited by this chapter; and (x) public restrooms of health care facilities.

C. Any restaurant having a seating capacity of fifty or more persons shall have a designated no-smoking area sufficient to meet customer demand. In determining the extent of the no-smoking area, the following shall not be included as seating capacity: (i) seats in any bar or lounge area of a restaurant and (ii) seats in any separate room or section of a restaurant which is used exclusively for private functions.

D. The proprietor or other person in charge of an educational facility, except any public elementary, intermediate, or secondary school, health care facility, or a retail establishment of 15,000 square feet or more serving the general public, including, but not limited to, department stores, grocery stores, drug stores, clothing stores, shoe stores, and recreational facilities shall designate reasonable no-smoking areas, considering the nature of the use and the size of the building.

E. The proprietor or other person in charge of a space subject to the provisions of this chapter shall post signs conspicuous to public view stating "Smoking Permitted" or "No Smoking," and in restaurants, signs conspicuous to ordinary public view at or near each public entrance stating "No-Smoking Section Available." Any person failing to post such signs may be subject to a civil penalty of not more than twenty-five dollars.

F. No person shall smoke in a designated no-smoking area and any person who continues to smoke in such area after having been asked to refrain from smoking may be subject to a civil penalty of not more than twenty-five dollars.

G. Any law-enforcement officer may issue a summons regarding a violation of this chapter.

H. The provisions of this chapter shall not be construed to regulate smoking in retail tobacco stores, tobacco warehouses or tobacco manufacturing facilities.

(1990, cc. 902, 969, § 15.1-291.2; 1991, c. 601; 1992, c. 827; 1994, cc. 629, 928; 1996, cc. 472, 514, 778; 1997, c.


Good luck on your move, About 3 Months ago a company in Virginia (Well actually Maryland but on the border that I could and would have lived in VA)wanted me to come down an interveiw for a position, I am kicking myself for not following up on it.
37 posted on 03/29/2003 5:59:46 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: HitmanNY
Thank heavens there are more real Pubbies in NY! I thought we were alone!

Regards,

38 posted on 03/29/2003 8:07:07 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: qam1
You should call them back and see if the position is still available. Get out while the getting's good.

Those smoking laws in VA sound reasonable to me...and also like a little bit of heaven. VA has just gone to the top of my list.

Regards,
39 posted on 03/29/2003 8:10:48 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98
Well the good news is they must've gotten all the drug gangs locked up then, since the state has resources to devote to this.

Oh, wait, I forgot - I forgot to follow the money! The patrons of restaurants obviously have disposable income - surely they can spare some for this new tax.

40 posted on 03/29/2003 8:14:20 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-51 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson