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Why I Didn't March This Time (Nat Hentoff)
The Village Voice ^ | March 28th, 2003 | Nat Hentoff

Posted on 03/28/2003 4:03:24 PM PST by veronica

Their Tongues Were Cut Out for Slandering Hussein

Often, the executions have been carried out by the Fedayeen Saddam, a paramilitary group headed by Mr. Hussein's oldest son, 38-year-old Uday. These men, masked and clad in black, make the women kneel in busy city squares, along crowded sidewalks, or in neighborhood plots, then behead them with swords. The families of some victims have claimed they were innocent of any crime save that of criticizing Mr. Hussein. —John F. Burns, "How Many People Has Hussein Killed?" The New York Times, January 26, 2003

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I participated in many demonstrations against the Vietnam War, including some civil disobedience—though I was careful not to catch the eyes of the cops, sometimes a way of not getting arrested. But I could not participate in the demonstrations against the war on Iraq. As I told The New York Sun in its March 14-16 roundup of New Yorkers for and against the war:

"There was the disclosure . . . when the prisons were briefly opened of the gouging of eyes of prisoners and the raping of women in front of their husbands, from whom the torturers wanted to extract information. . . . So if people want to talk about containing [Saddam Hussein] and don't want to go in forcefully and remove him, how do they propose doing something about the horrors he is inflicting on his people who live in such fear of him?"

I did not cite "weapons of mass destruction." Nor do I believe Saddam Hussein is a direct threat to this country, any more than the creators of the mass graves in the Balkans were, or the Taliban. And as has been evident for a long time, I am no admirer of George W. Bush.

The United Nations? Did the inspectors go into the prisons and the torture chambers? Would they have, if given more time? Did they interview the Mukhabarat, Saddam's dreaded secret police?

An Iraqi in Detroit wanted to send a message to the anti-war protesters: "If you want to protest that it's not OK to send your kids to fight, that's OK. But please don't claim to speak for the Iraqis."

In The Guardian, a British paper that can hardly be characterized as conservative, there was a dispatch from Safwan, Iraq, liberated in the first days of the war: "Ajami Saadoun Khilis, whose son and brother were executed under the Saddam regime, sobbed like a child on the shoulder of The Guardian's Egyptian translator. He mopped the tears but they kept coming. 'You just arrived,' he said. 'You're late. What took you so long?' "

The United Nations? In 1994, Kofi Annan, then head of the UN's peacekeeping operations, blocked any use of UN troops in Rwanda even though he was told by his representative there that the genocide could be stopped before it started.

Bill Clinton refused to act as well, instructing the State Department not to use the word genocide because then the United States would be expected to do something. And President Clinton instructed Madeleine Albright, then our representative to the UN, to block any possible attempts to intervene despite Kofi Annan. Some 800,000 lives could have been saved.

The United Nations? Where Libya, Syria, and Sudan are on the Human Rights Commission? The UN is crucial for feeding people and trying to deal with such plagues as AIDS; but if you had been in a Hussein torture chamber, would you, even in a state of delirium, hope for rescue from the UN Security Council?

From Amnesty International, for whom human rights are not just a slogan, on Iraq: "Common methods of physical torture included electric shocks or cigarette burns to various parts of the body, pulling out fingernails, rape. . . . Two men, Zaher al-Zuhairi and Fares Kadhem Akia, reportedly had their tongues cut out for slandering the president by members of Feda'iyye Saddam, a militia created in 1994. The amputations took place in a public square in Diwaniya City, south of Baghdad."

As John Burns of The New York Times wrote in January: "History may judge that the stronger case [for an American-led invasion] . . . was the one that needed no [forbidden arms] inspectors to confirm: that Saddam Hussein, in his 23 years in power, plunged this country into a bloodbath of medieval proportions, and exported some of that terror to his neighbors."

When it appeared that Tony Blair's political career was near extinction, he gave a speech in the House of the Commons, as quoted in the March 18 issue of The Guardian:

"We must face the consequences of the actions we advocate. For me, that means all the dangers of war. But for others, opposed to this course, it means—let us be clear—that the Iraqi people, whose only true hope of liberation lies in the removal of Saddam, for them, the darkness will close back over them again; and he will be free to take his revenge upon those he must know wish him gone.

"And if this house now demands that at this moment, faced with this threat from this regime, that British troops are pulled back, that we turn away at the point of reckoning, and that is what it means—what then?

"What will Saddam feel? Strengthened beyond measure. What will the other states who tyrannise their people, the terrorists who threaten our existence, what will they take from that?. . . Who will celebrate and who will weep?"

The letters section of The New York Times is sometimes more penetrating than the editorials. A March 23 letter from Lawrence Borok: "As someone who was very active in the [anti-Vietnam War] protests, I think that the antiwar activists are totally wrong on this one. Granted, President Bush's insensitive policies in many areas dear to liberals (I am one) naturally make me suspicious of his motives. But even if he's doing it for all the wrong reasons, have they all forgotten about the Iraqi people?"

And, in the March 23 New York Times Magazine, Michael Ignatieff, a longtime human rights investigator, wrote of "14,000 'writers, academics, and other intellectuals'—many of them my friends—[who] published a petition against the war . . . condemning the Iraqi regime for its human rights violations and supporting 'efforts by the Iraqi opposition to create a democratic, multi-ethnic, and multireligious Iraq.' " But they say, he adds, that waging war at this time is "morally unacceptable."

"I wonder," Ignatieff wrote—as I also wonder—"what their support for the Iraqi opposition amounts to."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraqifreedom; liberalcaseforwar; nathentoff
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To: veronica
Bill Clinton refused to act as well, instructing the State Department not to use the word genocide because then the United States would be expected to do something

Clinton's failure to deal with Bin Laden, his failure to properly investigate OKC, TWA 800, Egypt Air, and so many other failures to act in the interest of national security, can all be chalked up to the same reason--He was afraid that, if international terrorism was the cause, he would have to do something about it. And Clinton the Spineless is pathologically incapable of making difficult decisions.

21 posted on 03/28/2003 4:51:13 PM PST by giotto
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To: veronica
Good read....but Hentoff is STILL a commie.
22 posted on 03/28/2003 4:54:40 PM PST by JOE6PAK (24 hours in a day ... 24 beers in a case ... coincidence?)
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To: MizSterious
Nat sure can come up with surprises when you least expect them, can't he?

Remember how he trashed Hillary Clinton?

Scathing articles about the Clintons and the protesters are MUCH better when they come from -- as someone else already said on here -- a honest liberal.
23 posted on 03/28/2003 5:04:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Bonaparte
Socialism + Nationalism = Genocide

When will the leftist dweebs ever understand simple history?

They can't, unfortunately; not unless they undergo an intellectual revolution, as Christopher Hitchins and Andrew Sullivan did.

Socialism + Nationalism = Genocide.

Simple, really.
24 posted on 03/29/2003 6:35:23 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: dennisw; TopQuark; Alouette; veronica; weikel; EU=4th Reich; BrooklynGOP; Jimmyclyde; Buggman; ...
Often, the executions have been carried out by the Fedayeen Saddam, a paramilitary group headed by Mr. Hussein's oldest son, 38-year-old Uday. These men, masked and clad in black, make the women kneel in busy city squares, along crowded sidewalks, or in neighborhood plots, then behead them with swords. The families of some victims have claimed they were innocent of any crime save that of criticizing Mr. Hussein.

Middle East list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

25 posted on 03/29/2003 7:29:47 AM PST by knighthawk (As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free)
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To: All
Amnesty Int:

Systematic torture of political prisoners
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE140082001?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CIRAQ?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CIRAQ

Warning, the next site contains horrible methods of torture in Iraq:

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~yahussain/iraqtorture/iraqtorture.html#english
26 posted on 03/29/2003 7:32:03 AM PST by knighthawk (As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free)
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To: veronica
All the academic and useful idiot protestations are rooted in the hatred for our president, followed closely by a hatred of America and it's ideals.
27 posted on 03/29/2003 8:37:01 AM PST by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: Revolting cat!
Free health care and free education......must have been opined by none other than that intellectual giant of the left.....Barbara Walters.
28 posted on 03/29/2003 8:38:19 AM PST by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: headsonpikes
"Socialism + Nationalism = Genocide"

Yep. And "genocide," a 60s term coined by the left for the express purpose of trashing America, is never applied by them to America's enemies. When someone like Saddam murders a million of his own people, the left turns a blind eye to it. That's because most of these "peace" protestors have been brain-washed to believe in the communist doctrine of "historical necessity." Of course, they can't see this. They're not supposed to.

I've got to hand it to the liberal media and the left-dominant universities. They did a brilliant job of turning so many Americans into communist dupes.

29 posted on 03/29/2003 10:33:09 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: veronica
bttt
30 posted on 03/29/2003 7:57:46 PM PST by ellery
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To: ellery
Nat Hentoff is more libertarian than liberal these days. He's also (try twisting it around your tongue) a pro-life atheist.
31 posted on 03/29/2003 8:00:45 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: EaglesUpForever
Re: Post 6

I get the impression the world is jealous of US power, and has scapegoated us out of pure jealous rage, without paying a moment's notice to the depth of the situation.

Its covetousness - a sin ingrained in all of us. I half believe if I lived in some loser third-rate country (say, France for example) I might like to see the USA get some comeuppance. This would be an initial sentiment - even though the brain would be saying that without the USA my 3rd rate loser country would be in dire straits ...
It takes maturity to look inside and be happy for those that have more than you do (and yes, our country has been greatly blessed) - and be grateful for what you do have (although if I did live in France I have to admit this would take some deep looking)...

32 posted on 03/29/2003 8:23:04 PM PST by El Cid
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To: JOE6PAK
Geez...how old is Hentoff now...he must be ancient. I remember reading him in my teens. And he was old then!
33 posted on 03/29/2003 8:28:59 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Illbay
Hentoff claims to be more than just an 'honest liberal'; he claims to be foresquare behind the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as well as claiming to be some sort of "Constitutional Scholar". Yet, when I wrote him some time back asking why he didn't support the entire Bill of Rights, specifically the 2nd Amendment, I got no reply. Typical liberal hypocrisy. Freedom of speech is worthless prattering without the power to back it up.
34 posted on 04/01/2003 12:16:00 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
A Leftist is ultimately going to be inconsistent. That's because the principles of our Constitutional Republic are inconsistent with Leftist doctrine.

But Hentoff is more like the old-style Left like Lincoln Steffens or Upton Sinclair. He doesn't hate America.
35 posted on 04/01/2003 5:16:43 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: EternalVigilance
I relied heavily on Hentoff in looking up info on free speech suppression on college campuses.

He is a good guy in some ways, though I vehemently disagree with his broad interpretation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

He loves free speech though, that is for sure.
36 posted on 04/02/2003 12:25:35 AM PST by rwfromkansas (Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: Cicero
Don't you disagree that Bush is going to this war for the wrong reasons?
37 posted on 04/02/2003 12:28:26 AM PST by rwfromkansas (Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: rwfromkansas
Thank God for free speech.

How else would the Left be making such jackasses of themselves...? ;-)
38 posted on 04/02/2003 12:39:06 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: veronica
Nat Hentoff has described himself as a "civil libertarian" However, since he writes for the Village Voice, he's considered their "right wing nut"
39 posted on 04/02/2003 8:52:18 AM PST by paltz
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To: EternalVigilance
I think Jay Nordlinger said it best:

"Fine, fine. But let me just record this, briefly: The Communists in Vietnam were no picnic. As Vernon Walters said — I have quoted him many times — bombs fell on every village and hamlet for twelve years, and no one moved. It took the coming of the Communist "peace" to send 600,000 people out into the South China Sea, on anything that could float, to risk starvation, dehydration, piracy, and death.

So, support this war if you want: but let's not pretend that there was anything ignoble about American efforts in Vietnam, or that Vietnamese, when you prick them, bleed any less than Iraqis."
40 posted on 04/03/2003 4:47:31 PM PST by dwswager
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