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Defeat Troops, Professor Says(Freep Alert)
Newsday ^ | 3/28/03 | Ron Howell

Posted on 03/28/2003 5:44:19 AM PST by Sparky760

Defeat Troops, Professor Says Wants 'a million Mogadishus' By Ron Howell STAFF WRITER March 28, 2003 At an anti-war "teach-in" this week, a Columbia University professor called for the defeat of American forces in Iraq and said he would like to see "a million Mogadishus" - a reference to the Somali city where American soldiers were ambushed, with 18 killed, in 1993. "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military," Nicholas De Genova, an assistant professor of anthropology and Latino studies at Columbia University, told the audience at Low Library Wednesday night. "I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus." De Genova was referring to the Mogadishu ambush and firefight, known for its graphic image of a slain American soldier being dragged through the streets. The battle was portrayed in the film "Black Hawk Down." The crowd was largely silent at De Genova's remark. They loudly applauded him later when he said, "If we really [believe] that this war is criminal ... then we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the U.S. war machine." At least two of the speakers who followed De Genova distanced themselves from his comments. One of them was teach-in organizer Eric Foner, a history professor, who disagreed with De Genova's assertion that Americans who called themselves "patriots" also were white supremacists. In a telephone interview yesterday, Foner went further in his criticism, calling De Genova's statements "idiotic." "I thought that was completely uncalled for," Foner said. "We do not desire the deaths of American soldiers." Foner said that because of the university's tradition of freedom of speech, it was unlikely De Genova would suffer professionally in any way because of what he said. "A person's politics have no impact on their employment status here, whether they are promoted, whether they are fired or whether they get tenure," Foner said. De Genova did not want to discuss yesterday whether he had tenure. Acknowledging his beliefs are more radical than those of many others at Wednesday's forum, he said his remarks reflect his concern for oppressed people. While he did not retract his statements, he said he hoped they do not lead to "death threats," like those he received after a controversial speech at a pro-Palestinian rally last spring. Regarding Wednesday's reference to Mogadishu, the professor, who is 35 and from Chicago, said the U.S. Army is composed largely of men and women who have a "treacherous lack of prospects for a decent life," but even so, they "have a choice" in whether to oppress people like the Iraqis. He said the Iraqis must liberate themselves from domestic oppressors as well as from foreign invaders like the United States. More than 3,000 students and faculty attended the Wednesday teach-in, which lasted from 6 p.m. until about midnight and featured more than two dozen professors and other scholars. The applause at De Genova's call for the defeat of U.S.-led forces in Iraq reflected widespread frustration at the inability to reverse President George W. Bush's Middle East policies, Foner said. "A kind of flamboyant statement like that will get an applause in the heat of the moment," the history professor said. By turns, the speakers Wednesday night said the Bush administration's actions in Iraq were bullying, illegal, deceitful, corrupt and murderous. History professor Barbara J. Fields said like-minded Americans should vigorously oppose Bush. "The 'good Germans' of the Nazi era were the few who said, 'No,'" Fields declared. Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc.

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To: Sparky760
"I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus."

Really. So, Mr. Dumbass Professor, are you really advocating the death of 18 million Americans - most of them being stripped naked and dragged through the streets? No? That's what I heard - 18 Americans died in the Mogadishu battle. You want a million Mogadishus. Therefore, you want 18 million Americans killed and their naked bodies dragged through the streets. I have a feeling that the people who run or donate to Columbia University may have a problem with your desire for genocide against Americans and specifically the soldiers that protect and defend America.

Mr. Dumbass Professor - we're going to have your job. Seriously.

41 posted on 03/28/2003 6:44:10 AM PST by Spiff
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To: robowombat
Nicholas De Genova’s doctoral dissertation... explores socio-cultural processes implicated in the mutually constitutive productions of racialized difference

Typical postmodern blather - if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your BS. Be very afraid that this guy's responsible for educating our "best and brightest" at Columbia.
42 posted on 03/28/2003 6:44:30 AM PST by thisiskubrick (may the running liberal pig-dogs be turned into bbq toasties in the sea of fire)
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To: Flurry
I I'll help.............or cheer you on.......what ever you need!
43 posted on 03/28/2003 6:48:28 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Mr. Wright
Somebody find out whether or not Columbia gets ANY Federal Aid! If so, they should have ALL Federal Aid ceased!!

Unfortunately, the left in this country is financed almost entirely by the U.S. government in the form of grants, employment, etc. The rest comes from foreign sources and rich, liberal idiots.

44 posted on 03/28/2003 6:49:43 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Sunshine Sister
My 4 year old niece could whup him so I guess I'd like someone cheering.
45 posted on 03/28/2003 7:01:44 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (It's not supposed to make sense.)
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To: VoteHarryBrowne2000
More on Mr Bollinger:

Name: LEE C BOLLINGER
Title: PRESIDENT PROFESSOR
Dept: OFFICE OF PRESIDENT SCHOOL OF LAW
Mail Addr: 202 LOW LIBRARY
mail code 4309
Phone: MS 4-9970
+1 212-854-9970
UNI: lcb50
EMail: bollinger@columbia.edu

46 posted on 03/28/2003 7:02:24 AM PST by DaisyCutter
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To: OldSmaj
Too much!!! He's not worth that many wasted breaths!!!
47 posted on 03/28/2003 7:03:07 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: Sparky760
"I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus." De Genova was referring to the Mogadishu ambush and firefight, known for its graphic image of a slain American soldier being dragged through the streets.

This is the image he's looking to create. This is a dead American Ranger being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu. I'm sure that there are plenty of Army Rangers that would be willing to give this sorry excuse of a man an "attitude adjustment" that he would never forget.

48 posted on 03/28/2003 7:06:26 AM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: robowombat
Imagine this! My email to this scumbag failed to be delivered. Do you suppose he's already fired? We can only hope.
49 posted on 03/28/2003 7:12:55 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Lorenb420
"A person's politics have no impact on their employment status here, whether they are promoted, whether they are fired or whether they get tenure," Foner said.

I'd say that if he's paid with tax dollars, he'd damned well better be fired. A private school may be able to get away with this, but when my money is taken and used to support this crap, the POS should be tossed out.

50 posted on 03/28/2003 7:15:59 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: Flurry
You got it! I'll be rooting for your niece then.
51 posted on 03/28/2003 7:19:50 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: OldSmaj
Very Well put Sergeant Major. Mine was a little more to the point but said basically the same thing:

You are a pig and if I was in attendance when you made those comments I would have charged the stage and kicked your sorry a$$. If you had any balls you would have said what you said on a military base instead of a college campus.

Signed

A former US paratrooper 1990-1996

52 posted on 03/28/2003 7:22:36 AM PST by Formermasslurker
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Similar sentiment in this poem:

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=166267;article=36;date_query=1020720884
53 posted on 03/28/2003 7:24:36 AM PST by BenLurkin (Remember the 507th)
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To: Sunshine Sister
She doesn't want to get her hands dirty so I'll have to do it. Think I'll wear rubber gloves.
54 posted on 03/28/2003 8:05:21 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (It's not supposed to make sense.)
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To: Sparky760

55 posted on 03/28/2003 8:06:36 AM PST by mhking
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To: Sparky760
Dear Professor:

I heard your mass-murdering Stalinist buddy Saddam needs more troops to defend his gulags and torture chambers. Why don't you hop on over. I'll notify my buddies in the Marines that you're on the way.

PS - Save money and buy only a one-way ticket.
56 posted on 03/28/2003 8:10:27 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: IYAS9YAS
"A person's politics have no impact on their employment status here, whether they are promoted, whether they are fired or whether they get tenure," Foner said.

I wonder if the two or three (if Columbia has even that many) undercover conservatives on the humanities or social sciences faculties would agree with this.

57 posted on 03/28/2003 8:13:16 AM PST by sphinx
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To: sam_paine
or is this onion???

It's The Onion. Nobody is this screwed in the head.

58 posted on 03/28/2003 8:20:28 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: Sparky760
bttt
59 posted on 03/28/2003 8:56:57 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: Spiff
Really. So, Mr. Dumbass Professor, are you really advocating the death of 18 million Americans - most of them being stripped naked and dragged through the streets? No? That's what I heard - 18 Americans died in the Mogadishu battle. You want a million Mogadishus. Therefore, you want 18 million Americans killed and their naked bodies dragged through the streets

We lost 18. Didn't the Somalis lose over 1000? Be careful what you wish for Mr Professor....

60 posted on 03/28/2003 8:56:58 AM PST by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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