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Defeat Troops, Professor Says(Freep Alert)
Newsday ^ | 3/28/03 | Ron Howell

Posted on 03/28/2003 5:44:19 AM PST by Sparky760

Defeat Troops, Professor Says Wants 'a million Mogadishus' By Ron Howell STAFF WRITER March 28, 2003 At an anti-war "teach-in" this week, a Columbia University professor called for the defeat of American forces in Iraq and said he would like to see "a million Mogadishus" - a reference to the Somali city where American soldiers were ambushed, with 18 killed, in 1993. "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military," Nicholas De Genova, an assistant professor of anthropology and Latino studies at Columbia University, told the audience at Low Library Wednesday night. "I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus." De Genova was referring to the Mogadishu ambush and firefight, known for its graphic image of a slain American soldier being dragged through the streets. The battle was portrayed in the film "Black Hawk Down." The crowd was largely silent at De Genova's remark. They loudly applauded him later when he said, "If we really [believe] that this war is criminal ... then we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the U.S. war machine." At least two of the speakers who followed De Genova distanced themselves from his comments. One of them was teach-in organizer Eric Foner, a history professor, who disagreed with De Genova's assertion that Americans who called themselves "patriots" also were white supremacists. In a telephone interview yesterday, Foner went further in his criticism, calling De Genova's statements "idiotic." "I thought that was completely uncalled for," Foner said. "We do not desire the deaths of American soldiers." Foner said that because of the university's tradition of freedom of speech, it was unlikely De Genova would suffer professionally in any way because of what he said. "A person's politics have no impact on their employment status here, whether they are promoted, whether they are fired or whether they get tenure," Foner said. De Genova did not want to discuss yesterday whether he had tenure. Acknowledging his beliefs are more radical than those of many others at Wednesday's forum, he said his remarks reflect his concern for oppressed people. While he did not retract his statements, he said he hoped they do not lead to "death threats," like those he received after a controversial speech at a pro-Palestinian rally last spring. Regarding Wednesday's reference to Mogadishu, the professor, who is 35 and from Chicago, said the U.S. Army is composed largely of men and women who have a "treacherous lack of prospects for a decent life," but even so, they "have a choice" in whether to oppress people like the Iraqis. He said the Iraqis must liberate themselves from domestic oppressors as well as from foreign invaders like the United States. More than 3,000 students and faculty attended the Wednesday teach-in, which lasted from 6 p.m. until about midnight and featured more than two dozen professors and other scholars. The applause at De Genova's call for the defeat of U.S.-led forces in Iraq reflected widespread frustration at the inability to reverse President George W. Bush's Middle East policies, Foner said. "A kind of flamboyant statement like that will get an applause in the heat of the moment," the history professor said. By turns, the speakers Wednesday night said the Bush administration's actions in Iraq were bullying, illegal, deceitful, corrupt and murderous. History professor Barbara J. Fields said like-minded Americans should vigorously oppose Bush. "The 'good Germans' of the Nazi era were the few who said, 'No,'" Fields declared. Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc.

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To: Sparky760
We all know the true answer to your question, but I'd be interested in hearing what PC response you get (if any).
141 posted on 03/28/2003 12:02:04 PM PST by Jen (Support our Troops * Stand up to Terrorists * Liberate Iraq)
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To: skull stomper
I like your name skull...we might be related. Anyway, the professor wasn't too hard to find at switchboard.com heh heh
143 posted on 03/28/2003 12:34:54 PM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: Sparky760
Acknowledging his beliefs are more radical than those of many others at Wednesday's forum

No they aren't. De Genova is just more explicit and upfront about what he really thinks. In this limited respect (and only in this respect) I applaud the callous, bilious, freedom-hating freak.

144 posted on 03/28/2003 12:44:48 PM PST by Stultis (That was, lessee [looking at watch], not even 15 SECONDS of fame)
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To: OldSmaj
I wish I had said that! I am proud of you old Sergeant Major!

We should wish him very soon to be recipient of that special virginal reward - perhaps Saddam or O'Sama could see that he is made an honorary Islamist, and perhaps Arabfart could give him a suicide mission to send him to that reward! Finally, we should wish that his "virgins" come from Tigrit...

The real evil is that this university professor and his kind are indoctrinating our young people with this same drivel and hatred for our country. And as for "freedom of expression", he has stepped way over the line!
145 posted on 03/28/2003 12:51:45 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: skull stomper
I wonder how many similar 'offers' they've received from Vets or active military? hahahahahaha
147 posted on 03/28/2003 1:04:29 PM PST by Jen (Support our Troops * Stand up to Terrorists * Liberate Iraq)
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To: skull stomper
I just left him a not-so-assuring message on his answering machine. I mentioned to him the fact that this is now on the AP newswire, all over the internet, and that he'll soon be famous...err...rather, infamous.
149 posted on 03/28/2003 1:45:37 PM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
I should know this, but about whom are you talking?
150 posted on 03/28/2003 1:47:26 PM PST by Greg Luzinski
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To: Black Agnes; Regulator; Brownie74; glc1173@aol.com; A CA Guy; CoryLund; Bikers4Bush; WRhine; ...
Name: NICHOLAS PAUL DE GENOVA
Title: ASST PROF
Dept: ANTHROPOLOGY
Mail Addr: DEPT OF ANTHROPOLOGY
416 Hamilton Hall, Mail Code 2880
1130 Amsterdam Avenue
New York, NY 10027
Phone: MS 4-0199 +1 212-854-0199
Fax: +1 212-854-0500
UNI: npd18
EMail: npd18@columbia.edu

ALSO...

President of Columbia
Name: LEE C BOLLINGER
Mail Addr: 202 LOW LIBRARY
mail code 4309
Phone: MS 4-9970
+1 212-854-9970
UNI: lcb50
E-mail: bollinger@columbia.edu

Also, the perp's dept. chair...
NICHOLAS B. DIRKS, Professor and Chair
Telephone: (212) 854-7785
Office: 960 Schermerhorn Ext.
E-mail: nbd7@columbia.edu


Nicholas de Genova's curriculum vitae

NICHOLAS DE GENOVA, Assistant Professor
Ph.D., University of Chicago
Telephone: (212) 854-0199
office: 416 Hamilton
email: npd18@columbia.edu <mailto: npd18@columbia.edu>

The central concerns of my research and teaching include: labor and class formation, racialization, the production of urban space, nationalism, the politics of citizenship, and transnational social processes, especially migration. My ethnographic research explores the social productions of racialized and spatialized difference in the experiences of transnational Mexican migrant workers within the space of the U.S. nation-state. More specifically, I examine transnational urban conjunctural spaces that link the U.S. and Latin America as a standpoint of critique from which to interrogate U.S. nationalism, political economy, racialized citizenship, and immigration law. This work contributes to a reconceptualization of Latin American, Latino, and "American" (U.S.) Studies. Likewise, I am interested in the methodological problems of ethnographic research practice and the limits of anthropological disciplinary forms of knowledge and modes of representation.

Representative Publications:

1995 "Gangster Rap and Nihilism in Black America: Some Questions of Life and Death." Social Text 43: 89-132. 1995 "Check Your Head: The Cultural Politics of Rap Music." Transition 67: 123-37. 1996 "Split-Level Bedlam: Chicago at the End of the Twentieth Century." Public Culture 9:1: 114-25. 1997 "The Junkyard of Futures Past." Anthropology and Humanism 22:2: 171-79. 1998 "Race, Space, and the Reinvention of Latin America in Mexican Chicago." Latin American Perspectives 102: 25:5: 87-116.

151 posted on 03/28/2003 2:09:46 PM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: TADSLOS
Just remember, the same people who did this are now being admitted to the United States as "refugees". Maybe they'll do a repeat performance soon on American streets.
152 posted on 03/28/2003 2:12:13 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Yes, I know. The State Department is actively engaging in supporting the immigration of a group of people with the inclination to be potential terrorists. It's twisted.
153 posted on 03/28/2003 2:15:36 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: TADSLOS
In general, we should not be bothering with the academic departments and be contacting those with real power at Columbia ... the trustees and substantial donors. This information shouldn't be too hard to find. (Wish I had more time.)

- a Columbia Law/Business School graduate
154 posted on 03/28/2003 2:25:34 PM PST by Greg Luzinski
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To: Greg Luzinski
These may not be so easy to find....I had no luck so far. I think you need a little more inside info for this.
155 posted on 03/28/2003 2:59:46 PM PST by Sparky760
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To: Tancredo Fan
Freeped!
156 posted on 03/28/2003 3:45:36 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
waiting anxiously and hoping O'Reilly is onto this tonight.
157 posted on 03/28/2003 4:09:18 PM PST by Sparky760
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To: Sparky760
I want to see a million kent States... Take THAT, punk...
158 posted on 03/28/2003 4:19:48 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Beware of Disinformation and propaganda)
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To: Sparky760
I can't imagine how the parents/spouses of those men will feel when they hear of this. Didn't the father of one of them refuse a medal from Clinton and snub him big time? I bet HE'D have something to say ... and I bet media would be all over it.
159 posted on 03/28/2003 4:28:32 PM PST by gramcam
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To: Sparky760; B4Ranch
sometimes the 1st amendment is a very bitter pill to swallow, 'cause with (place explitive here) like this guy i'd love nothing more than to stuff that pill down his throat with my fist, ya know?
160 posted on 03/28/2003 5:02:16 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (Piece Rally for America - mine's a 45)
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