Illinois Shotgun-Ban Bill Passes Senate Committee

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[cherry_bomb88]

Senate Bill 1195 (SB 1195), sponsored by Illinois Democratic Sen. Antonio Munoz, bans any shotgun that has a bore of .50 caliber or more. It outlaws 10, 12, 16, 20 and 28 gauge shotguns and even muzzleloaders. The bill passed the Senate Judiciary Committee by a vote of 6-4 and now awaits a vote on the Senate floor.

The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance (USSA) says even if the clause imposing bore restrictions is fixed, SB 1195 bans any shotgun that has threads inside the end of the barrel. The USSA says that means any shotgun with choke tubes would be illegal. The bill also bans shotguns with a magazine capacity of more than four shells. Illinois citizens would have 90 days to turn in their guns to authorities or face prosecution.

The USSA is encouraging sportsmen to contact their senators and ask them to oppose SB 1195. To find the name of your legislator, call (217) 782-8223 or click on the "Legislative Action Center" link near the bottom, right-hand corner of the USSA Web site, www.ussportsmen.org.

[spunkets]

This Bill only bans magazines over 10 rounds. That makes a lot of guns useless. If they are going to watch the legislature for bills they should get the bill #s right and collect all the relevant info. Notice the king's men are allowed these things, but the king's subject aren't. Also there's a bill out there that requires folks to submit to an interview with their local chieftan and requires gun manufacturers and sellers to open their sales records to the jackboots. Where are those mentioned?

from the rat's den

093_SB1194
LRB093 10903 LRD 11421 b
1 AN ACT in relation to criminal law.
2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:
4 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by
5 adding Section 24-1.7 as follows:
6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.7 new)
7 Sec. 24-1.7. Manufacture, possession and delivery of
8 large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
9 (a) As used in this Section:
10 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
11 (1) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar
12 device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily
13 restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of
14 ammunition; or
15 (2) any combination of parts from which a device
16 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled.
17 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not
18 include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and
19 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire
20 ammunition or any device that has been made permanently
21 inoperable.
22 (b) Except as provided in subsection (c), it is unlawful
23 for any person within this State, beginning 90 days after the
24 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 93rd General
25 Assembly, to knowingly manufacture, deliver, or possess or
26 cause to be manufactured, delivered, or possessed, a large
27 capacity ammunition feeding device.
28 (c) Any person who knowingly possesses a large capacity
29 ammunition feeding device on the effective date of this
30 amendatory Act of the 93rd General Assembly must, within 90
31 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the

-2- LRB093 10903 LRD 11421 b
1 93rd General Assembly, destroy the device, render it
2 permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law enforcement
3 agency, or remove it from this State.
4 (d) A person has an affirmative defense to an alleged
5 violation of subsection (c) of this Section if he or she
6 lawfully possessed or delivered the large capacity ammunition
7 feeding device while in the performance of his or her
8 official duties as a peace officer, correctional institution
9 employee or official, or member of the Armed Services or
10 Reserve Forces of the United States or of the Illinois
11 National Guard.
12 (e) Sentence. A person who possesses or delivers in
13 violation of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
14 device capable of holding more than 17 rounds of ammunition
15 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2
16 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for possession
17 or delivery of 2 or more of these devices at the same time.
18 A person who possesses or delivers in violation of this
19 Section a large capacity ammunition feeding device capable of
20 holding more than 10 rounds but not more than 17 rounds of
21 ammunition commits a Class 4 felony for a first violation and
22 a Class 3 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for
23 possession or delivery of more than one of these devices at
24 the same time.

[Rasputin_TheMadMonk]

And before some moron accuses me of being a terrorist or supporter, Have you never heard of poetic license? I am a writer after all......

[cherry_bomb88]

BUMP...actually, I am writing both Sandra Pihos (my rep) and Dan Cronin (my senator) right now (same letter to both).

March 28, 2003

Dear Senator Cronin,

I am deeply concerned about the recent passage of the gun ban in committee at the Illinois Senate. This bill is completely against the 2nd Amendment rights. However, let’s take the 2nd Amendment off the table for just a moment. Let’s look at the economic effects of this bill for a minute. How many gun shops, sporting good shops, hunting clubs, manufacturers, taxidermist, gunsmiths and other industries that are affected by this bill in Illinois stand to lose their livelihood? How many families will lose a great source of food? There are many residents of Illinois outside the Chicagoland area that rely heavily on hunting as a source of inexpensive meat. I know I used to be one of them. I lived in downstate Illinois and my ex-husband provided much of our meat by hunting. I probably only spent about $150 a month on groceries for a family of 4 because he hunted and we had a large garden. Between the hunting, freezing and canning, there wasn’t much left to buy. Hunting is a large industry in Illinois. This bill would cause economic strain to a state that is already very strained. It would also have a great impact on the revenue of the state in the form of taxes and FOID cards. I also believe that to pass this bill would cause the state GREATLY as you know that the NRA would challenge it as being unconstitutional all the way up to the Supreme Court. Lastly, I think this bill would be political suicide for anyone that signed it given the large “gun-toting” population in our state.

I urge you to PLEASE vote know against any further restrictions on our 2nd Amendment Rights.

Thank you,

[spunkets]

THe IL site gave me SB 1194 during a search for 1195. Sorry I didn't notice it sooner.

093_SB1195
LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 AN ACT in relation to criminal law.
2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:
4 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by
5 adding Section 24-1.7 as follows:
6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.7 new)
7 Sec. 24-1.7. Manufacture, possession, and delivery of
8 semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition
9 feeding devices, and assault weapon attachments.
10 (a) The General Assembly finds that the high rate of
11 fire and capacity for firepower of semiautomatic assault
12 weapons, assault weapon attachments, and large capacity
13 ammunition feeding devices pose a significant threat to the
14 health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of this State,
15 that the use of these weapons, devices, or attachments for
16 sport or recreation is substantially outweighed by the danger
17 these weapons or devices present to human life, and that
18 restrictions should therefore be placed on the manufacture,
19 delivery, and possession of these weapons, devices, and
20 attachments.
21 (b) Definitions. In this Section:
22 (1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means:
23 (A) any of the firearms or types, replicas, or
24 duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
25 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly
26 Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
27 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military
28 Industries UZI and Galil;
29 (iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70); 30 (iv) Colt AR-15;
31 (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, -2- LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 and FNC;
2 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
3 (vii) Steyr AUG;
4 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and
5 TEC-22; and
6 (ix) any shotgun which contains its
7 ammunition in a revolving cylinder, such as
8 (but not limited to) the Street Sweeper and
9 Striker 12;
10 (x) any firearm having a caliber of 50 or
11 greater;
12 (B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to
13 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
14 following:
15 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
16 (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes
17 conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
18 (iii) a bayonet mount;
19 (iv) a flash suppressor or barrel having a
20 threaded muzzle; or
21 (v) a grenade launcher; or
22 (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to
23 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
24 following:
25 (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to
26 the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
27 (ii) a barrel having a threaded muzzle;
28 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
29 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
30 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
31 the non-trigger hand without being burned;
32 (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or
33 more when the pistol is unloaded; or
34 (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic -3- LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 firearm; or
2 (D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the
3 following:
4 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
5 (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes
6 conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
7 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5
8 rounds; or
9 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable
10 magazine.
11 "Semiautomatic assault weapon" does not include:
12 (A) any firearm that:
13 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever
14 or slide action;
15 (ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been
16 made permanently inoperable; or
17 (iii) is an antique firearm; or
18 (B) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a
19 detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of
20 ammunition; or
21 (C) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more
22 than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable
23 magazine.
24 (2)(A) "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
25 (i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or
26 similar device that has a capacity of, or that can
27 be readily restored or converted to accept, more
28 than 10 rounds of ammunition; or
29 (ii) any combination of parts from which a
30 device described in subparagraph (i) can be
31 assembled.
32 (B) "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does
33 not include an attached tubular device designed to
34 accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber -4- LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 rimfire ammunition or any device that has been made
2 permanently inoperable.
3 (3) "Assault weapon attachment" means any device capable
4 of being attached to a firearm that is specifically designed
5 for making or converting a firearm into any of the firearms
6 listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (b) of this Section.
7 (4) "Antique firearm" means:
8 (A) any firearm, including any firearm with a
9 matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of
10 ignition system, manufactured in or before 1898, or
11 (B) any replica of any firearm described in
12 subparagraph (A) if the replica:
13 (i) is not designed or redesigned for using
14 rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition;
15 or
16 (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire
17 ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the
18 United States and that is not readily available in
19 the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
20 (C) any firearm (other than a machine gun), which,
21 although designed as a weapon, the Department of State
22 Police finds by reason of the date of its manufacture,
23 value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a
24 collector's item and is not likely to be used as a
25 weapon.
26 (c) Except as provided in subsection (e), 90 days after
27 the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 93rd General
28 Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within this State, to
29 knowingly manufacture, deliver, or possess or cause to be
30 manufactured, delivered, or possessed, a semiautomatic
31 assault weapon, a large capacity ammunition feeding device,
32 or an assault weapon attachment.
33 (d) Any person who knowingly possesses a semiautomatic
34 assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device, or -5- LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 assault weapon attachment must, within 90 days after the
2 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 93rd General
3 Assembly, destroy the weapon or device, render it permanently
4 inoperable, relinquish it to a law enforcement agency, or
5 remove it from this State.
6 (e) A person has an affirmative defense to an alleged
7 violation of subsection (c) of this Section if he or she
8 lawfully possessed or delivered the semiautomatic assault
9 weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device, or assault
10 weapon attachment while in the performance of his or her
11 official duties as a peace officer, correctional institution
12 employee or official, or member of the Armed Services or
13 Reserve Forces of the United States, or of the Illinois
14 National Guard.
15 (f) Sentence.
16 (1) A person who manufactures, possesses, or
17 delivers a semiautomatic assault weapon in violation of
18 this Section commits a Class 3 felony for a first
19 violation and a Class 2 felony for a second or subsequent
20 violation or for the possession or delivery of 2 or more
21 of these weapons at the same time.
22 (2) A person who possesses or delivers in violation
23 of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
24 device capable of holding more than 17 rounds of
25 ammunition commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation
26 and a Class 2 felony for a second or subsequent violation
27 or for possession or delivery of 2 or more of these
28 devices at the same time.
29 (3) A person who possesses or delivers in violation
30 of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
31 device capable of holding more than 10 rounds but not
32 more than 17 rounds of ammunition commits a Class 4
33 felony for a first violation and a Class 3 felony for a
34 second or subsequent violation or for possession or -6- LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 delivery of more than one of these devices at the same
2 time.
3 (4) A person who possesses or delivers in violation
4 of this Section an assault weapon attachment commits a
5 Class 4 felony for a first violation and a Class 3 felony
6 for a second or subsequent violation.

[cherry_bomb88]

BUMP....my ex husband is stationed with you at the ANG (I think)...I might have ran into you when I was on the board of the family support group when we first started it before I divorced him. He does munnitions(spg?) ...you know...the things that fall off your planes and go "boom"!!!!

[cherry_bomb88]

Always keep 'em guessing, right, Noumenon??? lol

[spunkets]

Yes I noticed that too late, but SB1194 is just as bad. see #85

[cherry_bomb88]

ok ok...good thing I posted it here and read it before I sent it...I know it's supposed to be "no" and not "know" in that last sentence and am correcting it. Damn grammar check in word...@#$!@#$@!# .....useless!

[Lurker]

I'm truly sorry about your investments, I really am.

But what's going on here is a bunch of people (and I use that term very loosely) are trying to strip a bunch of motivated people of their dignity, and then rub their noses in it. That's always a bad idea.

Think about all of those duck and goose hunting clubs downstate. Think about all of those trap and clay ranges midstate. Most of the folks who are members of, or patronize those places are decent, hardworking, well to do people. Now think about the county sheriffs in those mid and downstate counties. Do you really think they are going to send their deputies out to arrest these people, especially if they realize that their own lives might just possibly be at risk if they did so?

Throw in a further thought... Do you think these sheriffs will spend a whole lot of hours investigating the untimely demise of Chicago politicians who happen to meet their maker under 'suspicious' circumstances?

I'm chuckling at the thought of the Chicago PD trying to round up every hogleg under the counter of 2/3rds of the convenience stores on the north and west sides of the city.

If they try to institute general confiscation in the suburbs, well Illinois Undertakers will be working 3 shifts.

The only thing that worries me is that our fine state has registered every single gun owner via the FOID system. It won't take them long to cross reference that database and then send the Illinois Troopers and the fine folks at the BATF(E) out to cross reference 4473s to the local phone book.

When that happens, the excrement will strike the rotating oscillator and noone will be safe. Not gunowners, not cops, and for damn sure not any State Legislator who was stupid or evil enough to vote this monstrosity into Law. I sure has hell wouldn't bet a plugged nickel on Rod B reaching his next birthday, that's for sure.

Whatever happens, I'm not leaving until I decide to. I'm not going to be run out of the State where I grew up, where I raised my family, where I own my home and my business, simply because I own a shotgun some idiot decided was to big a round.

These people don't know who they are f****** with, and God help the poor bastard who knocks on my door asking me to 'turn in' my property. He may have mercy on him or her, but I sure as hell won't. Anyone who comes to my home demanding that I turn over my firearms has pretty much made a life decision as far as I am concerned.

I've contacted my 'representatives' and have made my feelings known in no uncertain terms. I will not be made a criminal over this. I inherited my grandfathers shotguns when he died 30 years ago. I still have them. I will not surrender them for any reason, to any one, nor will I surrender any other firearm I own. Not now, not ever.

You can cut and run if you want to. That's up to you. But remember this, if they can do it to you here, they can do it to you anywhere. Wherever you go, there you are.

I'm not going to spend what's left of my life running from these people, nor am I going to teach my family that running or hiding from monstrous wrong is the proper thing to do. That's been tried, and the streets of history are littered with the rotting corpses of those who have tried it.

I'm hoping against hope that our fellow Illinois gun owners will rise up en masse against this thing and kill it before it's born. If they don't, well then the chips are just going to have to fall where they may.

But as for me and mine, we aren't going to run. We may hide, but sure as there is a God in heaven we will make the bastards who do this to us pay for every single yard.

Regards,

L

[supercat]

This Bill only bans magazines over 10 rounds.

It also bans all shotguns larger than .410, since such firearms have a bore diameter in excess of 0.5".

[Sunnyvale CA Eng.]

Your letter and intentions are good but I wonder if there is any elected official that actually reads these anymore. I imagine email is prescreened and bulk deleted by low level interns. People like Sen. Antonio Munoz (author of the bill) are not swayed by a few hundred angry letters. They have a personal full-time agenda that is based in a deep seated hatred for the Constitution and for the little people that got them into office. When election time comes around they will pander to the usual groups and usually get re-elected.

I believe we are at the point where the fight needs to become personal on a face to face basis. The courts are corrupt, new laws are designed to give advantage to the criminal, the Constitution has been shredded, elections results are often fraudulent. The old channels for getting the attention of your elected representative no longer work - new more direct, personal methods are needed.

In a few months after this bill passes you will see on your local news 55 gallon drums filled with shotguns. The talking heads will say that this is a glorious thing to get these evil guns out of the hands of criminals - they'll be talking about you. Munoz and other commieratbastards will be all over the TV smiling into the camera with a hardon standing in front of piles of surrendered guns realizing that the left is one step closer to the goal.

[countrydummy]

Geez this is awlful! What are you guys running out of rabbitt and squirrels and grose? How many folks are shot with a damn aquirrel gun out there? This is crazy! Start an impechment, start petitons, start calling numbers in the phine book! I live in WV, ByGod we would not allow this one! I feel for you all out there. My brother leaves there somewhere, I am too tired to think, but I will call him later today!

[spunkets]

The IL site gave me SB1194 when I was researching SB1195. The bill says, "10 (x) any firearm having a caliber of 50 or
11 greater
". That would include shotguns and I wouldn't put it passed them to keep it that way. It really bothers me they are out to ban AR-15s and M1-As, along with any of the others, but the kings men get to keep and use them. They can go jump.

[cherry_bomb88]

Well, again, I work for a trade association...we regularly using mass grassroots lobbying efforts to assist us on important issues. I can assure you if it's a few hundred letters they are receiving from their consituants, they will listen. I've talked to many reps that say the problem they have is that they never hear from anyone, or they get one or two letters on the issue so they assume no one cares. We have a government by representation for a reason.....let your representatives know what you think. Not just on this issue, but on EVERY issue that you deem important. It takes maybe 10 minutes to write a letter, fax or email now, and years to change something you don't like later.

I'm sure there are those that could give a s**t what their constituants thinkg *cough cough daschel cough cough* but for the most part, they do at least read your letters, and the louder voice gets their ear.

[cherry_bomb88]

Thanks, country....this is going to take a MASSIVE grassroots effort....and obviously the Illinois chapter of the NRA is not being affective in leading that...it all starts here!

[cherry_bomb88]

BTTT

Nice seniments, Lurker....and as much as I tease about leaving...I have a 10 year job here in marketing...I've built up a network of clients (a lot of them gun owners) and I'm not going to cut and run and start over some where else because they try to take away our rights. Like I said in my letter to my reps...they will spend years fighting this all the way to the Supreme Court!

[cherry_bomb88]

THIS IS ME WHEN THEY COME FOR MY GUNS

and this is the reason why.......

maybe the libs should look how the country votes....they only win in the big cities......

all you other women who are 2nd amendment supporters like me.........

http://www.wagc.com/

[Lurker]

Don't forget, we can always vote from the rooftops.

Regards,

L

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

I was just reading about some Chinese history. Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China who ruled around 221 B.C., did this to his people:

But Qin Shi Huang was no benevolent ruler looking out for his people. He was a staggeringly repressive tyrant who tried to standardize human thought in the same way he standardized laws, weights and measures. His followers believed that people were inherently evil and needed to live by a strict set of rules. So they burned most of the Confucian literature in the country, believing that it encouraged free thinking. In fact, the emperor made nonconformist thought a capital offense and sentenced thousands of intellectuals to years of forced labor on the Great Wall.

Sounds like a modern day tyrannical socialist government.