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Berkeley marina case tests Scouts' anti-gay stance
Sacramento Bee ^ | March 27, 2003 | Claire Cooper

Posted on 03/27/2003 2:29:48 PM PST by laureldrive

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:50:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN FRANCISCO -- The California Supreme Court announced Wednesday it will step into a case that's being viewed as the next major legal test of the Boy Scouts' stand against homosexuality. By a bare majority, the justices said they'll review lower court decisions that let Berkeley rescind half-century-old free-berthing privileges at the city marina to the local Sea Scouts chapter. The city acted in 1997, after the chapter refused to renounce the anti-gay position of its parent Boy Scouts.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: bsa; bsalist; homosexualagenda; scouts
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To: skull stomper
I read 48. I still think you're wrong.

Berkeley's policy is that everyone pays a berthing fee. However, it will waive your berthing fee if your organization is non-profit AND conforms to the city's own standards for non-descrimination.

Berkeley does not prohibit any organizations from berthing there.

Would you be as upset about the city's policy if their non-descrimination criteria were the same but did not include homosexuality? Do you feel that the city should have to waive the fee for, say, the KKK?

61 posted on 04/02/2003 2:55:01 PM PST by Qwerty
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To: skull stomper
Well Berkely law prohibits the city from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation as well. Since we're talking about Berkeley standards, I'd think that was important....

This marina fee issue does not make homosexuals a protected class. That's just a figment of your imagination.

64 posted on 04/02/2003 3:52:06 PM PST by Qwerty
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To: skull stomper
A non-profit homosexual organization could not berth in Berkeley for free without a non-discrimination policy. Are heterosexuals therefore a "protected" class?
65 posted on 04/02/2003 3:59:32 PM PST by Qwerty
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To: madg
They got it. They got the same chance at a waiver as any other group. Being "non-profit" is not the only requirement. The requirements for a waiver are "non-profit" status AND a non-discrimination pledge. That's what is expected of EVERYONE.

What part of "right" don't you understand? The BSA has a right to discriminate against homos. The SCOTUS has said so. They don't need a "chance" at a waiver any more than they needed "access." The BSA has the right to get everything that any other organization gets, period.

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68 posted on 04/02/2003 5:59:30 PM PST by JCG
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To: JCG
Who is preventing BSA from discriminating?

They don't meet the requirements for FREE BERTHING. So they must pay a fee to use a Berkeley (owned by Berkeley taxpayers, even the gay ones) asset.

69 posted on 04/02/2003 6:48:57 PM PST by Qwerty
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Weird. I can't post replies to Skull Stomper, but I can to anyone else.
70 posted on 04/02/2003 6:50:38 PM PST by Qwerty
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To: skull stomper
"Are you purposely being obtuse?"

Haha!! Are you purposely debating with phrases you took from The Shawshank Redemption?

"Or are you really that "challenged"?"

Acting like a child isn't going to help you win any arguments. Try harder.

"Bizerkly's "standards" are irrelevant, (besides being an absurd concept)."

Since when is Berkeley law irrelevant in Berkeley?

"Federal law is what matters."

If Berkeley law runs contrary to Federal law, there is an issue, yes. That's what they're going to court over. Personally, I think Berkeley will win this one.

"You are correct about homosexuals not being a protected class. (Remember "RACE", "SEX" (gender), "NATIONAL ORIGIN"?), and they are not ever going to be a "protected class", ever."

Ok.. maybe you should clean up this last bit a little so it makes sense and get back to me.

"See you in FEDERAL Court."

See you at the MOVIES.

71 posted on 04/02/2003 7:14:29 PM PST by Qwerty
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To: skull stomper
"Here again, you are just being STUPID. Are you STUPID? "

Why do I get the feeling that my childhood was a lot happier than yours?

72 posted on 04/02/2003 9:16:04 PM PST by Qwerty
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To: madg
Yes, they have a right to discriminate. They do not have a right to taxpayer-supported subsidy. They are a PRIVATE group, remember?

It makes no difference whether the BSA is a "private group." If Berkeley denies the BSA a public benefit while extending the same to other similar groups, then Berkeley is guilty of discrimination.

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76 posted on 04/03/2003 6:03:44 PM PST by JCG
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To: Qwerty
They don't meet the requirements for FREE BERTHING. So they must pay a fee to use a Berkeley (owned by Berkeley taxpayers, even the gay ones) asset.

The only requirement the BSA doesn't meet is the one that says they must allow homos in their membership. Since the SCOTUS has ruled the BSA doesn't have to admit homos, Berkeley doesn't have the right to enforce that ideology upon the them. Get it?

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77 posted on 04/03/2003 6:09:36 PM PST by JCG
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To: JCG
Since the SCOTUS has ruled the BSA doesn't have to admit homos, Berkeley doesn't have the right to enforce that ideology upon the them.

Or force that ideology upon them.

78 posted on 04/03/2003 6:13:04 PM PST by JCG
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To: JCG
Berkeley isn't forcing anything, the SeaScouts still berth at the marina.
79 posted on 04/03/2003 9:42:02 PM PST by Qwerty
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