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American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School
MassNews.com ^ | March 7 2003 | Geraldine Hawkins

Posted on 03/27/2003 5:04:29 AM PST by Brian Allen

By Geraldine Hawkins March 7, 2003

The American legal system has been corrupted almost beyond recognition, Judge Edith Jones of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, told the Federalist Society of Harvard Law School on February 28. She said that the question of what is morally right is routinely sacrificed to what is politically expedient. The change has come because legal philosophy has descended to nihilism

"The integrity of law, its religious roots, its transcendent quality are disappearing. I saw the movie 'Chicago' with Richard Gere the other day. That's the way the public thinks about lawyers," she told the students.

"The first 100 years of American lawyers were trained on Blackstone, who wrote that: 'The law of nature ? dictated by God himself ? is binding ? in all counties and at all times; no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all force and all their authority ? from this original.' The Framers created a government of limited power with this understanding of the rule of law - that it was dependent on transcendent religious obligation," said Jones.

She said that the business about all of the Founding Fathers being deists is "just wrong," or "way overblown." She says they believed in "faith and reason," and this did not lead to intolerance.

"This is not a prescription for intolerance or narrow sectarianism," she continued, "for unalienable rights were given by God to all our fellow citizens. Having lost sight of the moral and religious foundations of the rule of law, we are vulnerable to the destruction of our freedom, our equality before the law and our self-respect. It is my fervent hope that this new century will experience a revival of the original understanding of the rule of law and its roots.

"The answer is a recovery of moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society. Post 9/11, many events have been clarified. It is hard to remain a moral relativist when your own people are being killed."

According to the judge, the first contemporary threat to the rule of law comes from within the legal system itself.

Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America and one of the first writers to observe the United States from the outside looking-in, "described lawyers as a natural aristocracy in America," Jones told the students. "The intellectual basis of their profession and the study of law based on venerable precedents bred in them habits of order and a taste for formalities and predictability." As Tocqueville saw it, "These qualities enabled attorneys to stand apart from the passions of the majority. Lawyers were respected by the citizens and able to guide them and moderate the public's whims. Lawyers were essential to tempering the potential tyranny of the majority.

"Some lawyers may still perceive our profession in this flattering light, but to judge from polls and the tenor of lawyer jokes, I doubt the public shares Tocqueville's view anymore, and it is hard for us to do so.

"The legal aristocracy have shed their professional independence for the temptations and materialism associated with becoming businessmen. Because law has become a self-avowed business, pressure mounts to give clients the advice they want to hear, to pander to the clients' goal through deft manipulation of the law. ? While the business mentality produces certain benefits, like occasional competition to charge clients lower fees, other adverse effects include advertising and shameless self-promotion. The legal system has also been wounded by lawyers who themselves no longer respect the rule of law,"

The judge quoted Kenneth Starr as saying, "It is decidedly unchristian to win at any cost," and added that most lawyers agree with him.

However, "An increasingly visible and vocal number apparently believe that the strategic use of anger and incivility will achieve their aims. Others seem uninhibited about making misstatements to the court or their opponents or destroying or falsifying evidence," she claimed. "When lawyers cannot be trusted to observe the fair processes essential to maintaining the rule of law, how can we expect the public to respect the process?"

Lawsuits Do Not Bring 'Social Justice'

Another pernicious development within the legal system is the misuse of lawsuits, according to her.

"We see lawsuits wielded as weapons of revenge," she says. "Lawsuits are brought that ultimately line the pockets of lawyers rather than their clients. ? The lawsuit is not the best way to achieve social justice, and to think it is, is a seriously flawed hypothesis. There are better ways to achieve social goals than by going into court."

Jones said that employment litigation is a particularly fertile field for this kind of abuse.

"Seldom are employment discrimination suits in our court supported by direct evidence of race or sex-based animosity. Instead, the courts are asked to revisit petty interoffice disputes and to infer invidious motives from trivial comments or work-performance criticism. Recrimination, second-guessing and suspicion plague the workplace when tenuous discrimination suits are filed ? creating an atmosphere in which many corporate defendants are forced into costly settlements because they simply cannot afford to vindicate their positions.

"While the historical purpose of the common law was to compensate for individual injuries, this new litigation instead purports to achieve redistributive social justice. Scratch the surface of the attorneys' self-serving press releases, however, and one finds how enormously profitable social redistribution is for those lawyers who call themselves 'agents of change.'"

Jones wonders, "What social goal is achieved by transferring millions of dollars to the lawyers, while their clients obtain coupons or token rebates."

The judge quoted George Washington who asked in his Farewell Address, "Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths ? in courts of justice?"

Similarly, asked Jones, how can a system founded on law survive if the administrators of the law daily display their contempt for it?

"Lawyers' private morality has definite public consequences," she said. "Their misbehavior feeds on itself, encouraging disrespect and debasement of the rule of law as the public become encouraged to press their own advantage in a system they perceive as manipulatable."

The second threat to the rule of law comes from government, which is encumbered with agencies that have made the law so complicated that it is difficult to decipher and often contradicts itself.

"Agencies have an inherent tendency to expand their mandate," says Jones. "At the same time, their decision-making often becomes parochial and short-sighted. They may be captured by the entities that are ostensibly being regulated, or they may pursue agency self-interest at the expense of the public welfare. Citizens left at the mercy of selective and unpredictable agency action have little recourse."

Jones recommends three books by Philip Howard: The Death of Common Sense, The Collapse of the Common Good and The Lost Art of Drawing the Line, which further delineate this problem.

The third and most comprehensive threat to the rule of law arises from contemporary legal philosophy.

"Throughout my professional life, American legal education has been ruled by theories like positivism, the residue of legal realism, critical legal studies, post-modernism and other philosophical fashions," said Jones. "Each of these theories has a lot to say about the 'is' of law, but none of them addresses the 'ought,' the moral foundation or direction of law."

Jones quoted Roger C. Cramton, a law professor at Cornell University, who wrote in the 1970s that "the ordinary religion of the law school classroom" is "a moral relativism tending toward nihilism, a pragmatism tending toward an amoral instrumentalism, a realism tending toward cynicism, an individualism tending toward atomism, and a faith in reason and democratic processes tending toward mere credulity and idolatry."

No 'Great Awakening' In Law School Classrooms

The judge said ruefully, "There has been no Great Awakening in the law school classroom since those words were written." She maintained that now it is even worse because faith and democratic processes are breaking down.

"The problem with legal philosophy today is that it reflects all too well the broader post-Enlightenment problem of philosophy," Jones said. She quoted Ernest Fortin, who wrote in Crisis magazine: "The whole of modern thought ? has been a series of heroic attempts to reconstruct a world of human meaning and value on the basis of ? our purely mechanistic understanding of the universe."

Jones said that all of these threats to the rule of law have a common thread running through them, and she quoted Professor Harold Berman to identify it: "The traditional Western beliefs in the structural integrity of law, its ongoingness, its religious roots, its transcendent qualities, are disappearing not only from the minds of law teachers and law students but also from the consciousness of the vast majority of citizens, the people as a whole; and more than that, they are disappearing from the law itself. The law itself is becoming more fragmented, more subjective, geared more to expediency and less to morality. ? The historical soil of the Western legal tradition is being washed away ? and the tradition itself is threatened with collapse."

Judge Jones concluded with another thought from George Washington: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness - these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."

Upon taking questions from students, Judge Jones recommended Michael Novak's book, On Two Wings: Humble Faith and Common Sense.

"Natural law is not a prescriptive way to solve problems," Jones said. "It is a way to look at life starting with the Ten Commandments."

Natural law provides "a framework for government that permits human freedom," Jones said. "If you take that away, what are you left with? Bodily senses? The will of the majority? The communist view? What is it - 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?' I don't even remember it, thank the Lord," she said to the amusement of the students.

"I am an unabashed patriot - I think the United States is the healthiest society in the world at this point in time," Jones said, although she did concede that there were other ways to accommodate the rule of law, such as constitutional monarchy.

"Our legal system is way out of kilter," she said. "The tort litigating system is wreaking havoc. Look at any trials that have been conducted on TV. These lawyers are willing to say anything."

Potential Nominee to Supreme Court

Judge Edith Jones has been mentioned as a potential nominee to the Supreme Court in the Bush administration, but does not relish the idea.

"Have you looked at what people have to go through who are nominated for federal appointments? They have to answer questions like, 'Did you pay your nanny taxes?' 'Is your yard man illegal?'

"In those circumstances, who is going to go out to be a federal judge?"

Judge Edith H. Jones has a B.A. from Cornell University and a J.D. from the University of Texas School of Law. She was appointed to the Fifth Circuit by President Ronald Reagan in 1985. Her office is in the U.S. Courthouse in Houston.

The Federalist Society was founded in 1982 when a group of law students from Harvard, Stanford, the University of Chicago and Yale organized a symposium on federalism at Yale Law School. These students were unhappy with the academic climate on their campuses for some of the reasons outlined by Judge Jones. The Federalist Society was created to be a forum for a wider range of legal viewpoints than they were hearing in the course of their studies.

From the four schools mentioned above, the Society has grown to include over 150 law school chapters. The Harvard chapter, with over 250 members, is one of the nation's largest and most active. They seek to contribute to civilized dialogue at the Law School by providing a libertarian and conservative voice on campus and by sponsoring speeches and debates on a wide range of legal and policy issues.

The Federalist Society consists of libertarians and conservatives interested in the current state of the legal profession. It is founded on three principles: 1) the state exists to preserve freedom, 2) the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution and 3) it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to state what the law is, not what it should be.

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To: Middle Man
I was in and around the legal profession for many years, not as a lawyer. We found the best way around was to hire the best judge available via lawyers.

Anytime you hear people speaking of "professional ethics", watch out, they are covering something up.

41 posted on 03/28/2003 8:03:27 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Iron Eagle
You forgot another factor - and that is the "marketing vs. risk management" tug. That would be the practice of not hammering the guys who had valid claims previously leveled against them, and then burdening everybody else with the increase - all in order to keep "the good customer".
42 posted on 03/28/2003 8:07:27 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Paleocons, the French and the UN - Excusing corrupt power mad dictators for decades)
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To: cynicom
'Anytime you hear people speaking of "professional ethics"...'

Just as the more the NEA talks about "excellence in education", the less there is of it. ;^)

43 posted on 03/28/2003 8:56:53 AM PST by Middle Man
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To: tahiti
The judge makes some good points about the corruption of "tort" law and laying a lot of blame on trial lawyers, but she conveniently ignores the corruption of federal judges concerning "constitutional" law.
For examples,
--does she support the 2nd amendment as an individual right? --does she believe that search and seizures by "federalized" security personnel at airports violates the 4th amendment? --does she believe that unfunded federal regulations imposed on business violates the 5th amendment? --does she believe that Art I Section 8, Clause 3, the "commerce clause" does not have jurisdiction within state boundaries? --does she believe in the sanctity of Art I, Section 8, Clause 17, jurisdiction of federal legislation within the boundaries of a state? --does she believe in plethora of individual rights protected by the 9th amendment?
I would say she probably does not.
She probably believes in the dictum of "compelling state interest" which is the dictum that has inverted our constitutional republic from a republic of limited government from the consent of the governed, to virtually unlimited government without the consent of the governed.
Other than a few "free speech" constitutional challenges from time to time, will we ever see a federal judge rule from the point of few of a "presumption of liberty" versus "the balancing between private rights and public needs?" No.
That my friends is the true corruption of our legal system.
14 -tahiti-
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Well said, & bears repeating.
44 posted on 03/28/2003 12:24:46 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Iron Eagle
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45 posted on 03/28/2003 12:27:41 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
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46 posted on 03/28/2003 12:32:06 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Bigun
The original 13th Amendment to the Constitution for the United States forbad lawyers from serving in any government capacity.

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any Title of Nobility or Honor or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

"Title of Nobility" & "foreign power"

First off what does B.A.R. stand for?
British Accredited Registry.

No wonder the original 13th was taken out of the Constitution.

47 posted on 04/10/2003 5:18:48 PM PDT by Mikey
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To: Brian Allen
The judge is trying to say, "The citizens are wise to us".

Justice belongs to those that can manipulate the system. Judges should not be lawyers, plus the system should be opened up for represenatives other than lawyers.

48 posted on 04/10/2003 5:24:52 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom
<< Justice belongs to those that can manipulate the system. Judges should not be lawyers, plus the system should be opened up for representatives other than lawyers. >>

Absolutely.

It is ridiculous that the endemically interest-conflicted failed lawyers and the few other low life scoundrels that comprise America's political classless should take time from their real business: -- that of rearranging their "interpretation" of the American Constitution in order it more conveniently enrichen themselves and their lawyer henchmen: -- and sit about pontificating about such matters as "conflicts of interest" among the various activities and investments of political appointees to this or that [Invariably-unconstitutional] feral-gummint department.

Just as it is ridiculous that generations of Americans have sat still and, as if enthralled, still sit still, while those elected to represent US have have effectively disenfranchised every American while so gerrymandering the "electoral system" as to appoint and re-appoint only themselves -- and others of their choosing.

And while they have so stacked our "courts" as to have given every feral court -- and especially the supreme court -- more tyrannical power than that once held by England's king George the third!

Tyrannical power that is wielded unconstitutionally, unlawfully, illegally, as often as not criminally -- and always ruthlessly -- by way of the "judicial" fiat of party apparatchiks posing as "judges" -- and perpetuated by way of the bad habit that is "stare decisis!" [Adhering to decided cases!]

With far less provocation, our Founding Fathers fought Our Beloved FRaternal Republic's War of Independence.

Perhaps we will one day find similar courage?

Best ones -- Brian
49 posted on 04/11/2003 4:20:34 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Brian Allen
After years of fighting the system from within and according to the "law", I found that to obtain justice, one had to manipulate the system exactly as the judges and lawyers were doing.

Manipulation entailed putting lawyers and or judges in boxes from which they could not escape unless they performed as they should.

50 posted on 04/11/2003 5:33:20 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom
Bless you.

At 59 I became a Law Student with a view to spending the rest of my life, pro bono, doing whatever I can to help.

Best ones -- Brian
51 posted on 04/11/2003 5:49:38 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Brian Allen
bump
52 posted on 04/11/2003 6:02:38 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: proud American in Canada
Where you at, eh? [I have a place in BC and will be there soon]

Best ones -- B A
53 posted on 04/11/2003 6:13:31 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: cynicom
No where in the Constitution for the United States does it state one has the right to an attorney. It does however state;
"...and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

6th Amendment of the Constitution for the United States.

I believe it was Paul Harvey that stated (several years ago) on one of his radio programs that when this country was first settled, just about every kind of vermin came over with the ships, but the one thing the people made absolutely sure would not come over (at least for the first 100 or so years) were lawyers.

Now I'm not saying every lawyer in this country is scum and some may really be trying to do something good. The problem is even the so-called good lawyers are still practicing law within a corrupt (most of the time un-constitutional) system. One can not make things right while still working within a system that is wrong.

Shakespeare was correct when he stated that; 'in order to make a perfect society, one must kill all lawyers.'

54 posted on 04/12/2003 1:41:53 PM PDT by Mikey
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To: Mikey
The "justice" system is held hostage by the legal profession with the connivance of governement. Somewhat akin to the medical profession, both are going to have to open up their areas to people with less training and fewer "credentials".

We hear the constant barrage from doctors about being underpaid and overworked etc etc, yet they have a lock on the medical profession. They do not wish to serve those that cannot pay their fees, that is understandable, then let the poor have access to some some person they can afford.

Lawyers by law,are the only persons allowed to appear before a court. How nice. I would like to have state and federal government on my side, keeping everyone out so that I may manipulate the system for my own welfare.

55 posted on 04/12/2003 2:00:20 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Brian Allen
ONe does not have to be a lawyer or law student to be a member. All interested in constitutional law should join.
56 posted on 04/12/2003 2:17:47 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Saddam's Democrat Guard will stage suicide attacks against Coalition forces)
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To: Diogenesis
You forgot idiot juries perhaps the worst problem of all since none of those other antics would impact an intelligent jury as much.
57 posted on 04/12/2003 2:19:03 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Saddam's Democrat Guard will stage suicide attacks against Coalition forces)
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To: Diogenesis
You know, I agree with you.

It isn't our system that is corrupt.

It is the people, the Americans, the human beings that conduct it's operation.

WE ARE TO BLAME.

I believe that you will see this start to change.

President Bush is setting the example.

If you want some reasons we got where we are (our corrupt justice), you need only look at the example set by PAST LEADERS!

58 posted on 04/12/2003 2:21:25 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (A)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Much of the RAT hatred of them also comes from the role many of its members played in nailing the Slimeball to the wall.
59 posted on 04/12/2003 2:21:26 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Saddam's Democrat Guard will stage suicide attacks against Coalition forces)
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To: Cicero
Aaron Burr beat Holmes to that concept.
60 posted on 04/12/2003 2:29:28 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Saddam's Democrat Guard will stage suicide attacks against Coalition forces)
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