American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School

MassNews.com ^ | March 7 2003 | Geraldine Hawkins

[cynicom]

I was in and around the legal profession for many years, not as a lawyer. We found the best way around was to hire the best judge available via lawyers.

Anytime you hear people speaking of "professional ethics", watch out, they are covering something up.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

You forgot another factor - and that is the "marketing vs. risk management" tug. That would be the practice of not hammering the guys who had valid claims previously leveled against them, and then burdening everybody else with the increase - all in order to keep "the good customer".

[Middle Man]

'Anytime you hear people speaking of "professional ethics"...'

Just as the more the NEA talks about "excellence in education", the less there is of it. ;^)

[tpaine]

The judge makes some good points about the corruption of "tort" law and laying a lot of blame on trial lawyers, but she conveniently ignores the corruption of federal judges concerning "constitutional" law.
For examples,
--does she support the 2nd amendment as an individual right? --does she believe that search and seizures by "federalized" security personnel at airports violates the 4th amendment? --does she believe that unfunded federal regulations imposed on business violates the 5th amendment? --does she believe that Art I Section 8, Clause 3, the "commerce clause" does not have jurisdiction within state boundaries? --does she believe in the sanctity of Art I, Section 8, Clause 17, jurisdiction of federal legislation within the boundaries of a state? --does she believe in plethora of individual rights protected by the 9th amendment?
I would say she probably does not.
She probably believes in the dictum of "compelling state interest" which is the dictum that has inverted our constitutional republic from a republic of limited government from the consent of the governed, to virtually unlimited government without the consent of the governed.
Other than a few "free speech" constitutional challenges from time to time, will we ever see a federal judge rule from the point of few of a "presumption of liberty" versus "the balancing between private rights and public needs?" No.
That my friends is the true corruption of our legal system.
14 -tahiti-
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Well said, & bears repeating.

[tpaine]

American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School
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[tpaine]

American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School
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[Mikey]

The original 13th Amendment to the Constitution for the United States forbad lawyers from serving in any government capacity.

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any Title of Nobility or Honor or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

"Title of Nobility" & "foreign power"

First off what does B.A.R. stand for?
British Accredited Registry.

No wonder the original 13th was taken out of the Constitution.

[cynicom]

The judge is trying to say, "The citizens are wise to us".

Justice belongs to those that can manipulate the system. Judges should not be lawyers, plus the system should be opened up for represenatives other than lawyers.

[Brian Allen]

<< Justice belongs to those that can manipulate the system. Judges should not be lawyers, plus the system should be opened up for representatives other than lawyers. >>

Absolutely.

It is ridiculous that the endemically interest-conflicted failed lawyers and the few other low life scoundrels that comprise America's political classless should take time from their real business: -- that of rearranging their "interpretation" of the American Constitution in order it more conveniently enrichen themselves and their lawyer henchmen: -- and sit about pontificating about such matters as "conflicts of interest" among the various activities and investments of political appointees to this or that [Invariably-unconstitutional] feral-gummint department.

Just as it is ridiculous that generations of Americans have sat still and, as if enthralled, still sit still, while those elected to represent US have have effectively disenfranchised every American while so gerrymandering the "electoral system" as to appoint and re-appoint only themselves -- and others of their choosing.

And while they have so stacked our "courts" as to have given every feral court -- and especially the supreme court -- more tyrannical power than that once held by England's king George the third!

Tyrannical power that is wielded unconstitutionally, unlawfully, illegally, as often as not criminally -- and always ruthlessly -- by way of the "judicial" fiat of party apparatchiks posing as "judges" -- and perpetuated by way of the bad habit that is "stare decisis!" [Adhering to decided cases!]

With far less provocation, our Founding Fathers fought Our Beloved FRaternal Republic's War of Independence.

Perhaps we will one day find similar courage?

Best ones -- Brian

[cynicom]

After years of fighting the system from within and according to the "law", I found that to obtain justice, one had to manipulate the system exactly as the judges and lawyers were doing.

Manipulation entailed putting lawyers and or judges in boxes from which they could not escape unless they performed as they should.

[Brian Allen]

Bless you.

At 59 I became a Law Student with a view to spending the rest of my life, pro bono, doing whatever I can to help.

Best ones -- Brian

[proud American in Canada]

bump

[Brian Allen]

Where you at, eh? [I have a place in BC and will be there soon]

Best ones -- B A

[Mikey]

No where in the Constitution for the United States does it state one has the right to an attorney. It does however state;

"...and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

6th Amendment of the Constitution for the United States.

I believe it was Paul Harvey that stated (several years ago) on one of his radio programs that when this country was first settled, just about every kind of vermin came over with the ships, but the one thing the people made absolutely sure would not come over (at least for the first 100 or so years) were lawyers.

Now I'm not saying every lawyer in this country is scum and some may really be trying to do something good. The problem is even the so-called good lawyers are still practicing law within a corrupt (most of the time un-constitutional) system. One can not make things right while still working within a system that is wrong.

Shakespeare was correct when he stated that; 'in order to make a perfect society, one must kill all lawyers.'

[cynicom]

The "justice" system is held hostage by the legal profession with the connivance of governement. Somewhat akin to the medical profession, both are going to have to open up their areas to people with less training and fewer "credentials".

We hear the constant barrage from doctors about being underpaid and overworked etc etc, yet they have a lock on the medical profession. They do not wish to serve those that cannot pay their fees, that is understandable, then let the poor have access to some some person they can afford.

Lawyers by law,are the only persons allowed to appear before a court. How nice. I would like to have state and federal government on my side, keeping everyone out so that I may manipulate the system for my own welfare.

[justshutupandtakeit]

ONe does not have to be a lawyer or law student to be a member. All interested in constitutional law should join.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You forgot idiot juries perhaps the worst problem of all since none of those other antics would impact an intelligent jury as much.

[UCANSEE2]

You know, I agree with you.

It isn't our system that is corrupt.

It is the people, the Americans, the human beings that conduct it's operation.

WE ARE TO BLAME.

I believe that you will see this start to change.

President Bush is setting the example.

If you want some reasons we got where we are (our corrupt justice), you need only look at the example set by PAST LEADERS!

[justshutupandtakeit]

Much of the RAT hatred of them also comes from the role many of its members played in nailing the Slimeball to the wall.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Aaron Burr beat Holmes to that concept.