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How France blocked U.S. in Ankara
New York Sun ^ | 26 March 2003 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 03/26/2003 5:02:19 PM PST by Tamaqua

How France Blocked U.S. In Ankara

MICHAEL LEDEEN

Everybody knows that Turkey did not permit America to stage operations from Turkish bases, but hardly anybody realizes that, contrary to the conventional wisdom, the vote was not an Islamic protest against the American-led coalition,but an act of anti-American intimidation by France and Germany.

The Turkish government, which for the first time since the fall of the Ottoman Empire is based on an Islamic party, fully expected that Parliament would approve its proposal that America be given the use of Turkish air bases in the Iraqi war.The government was so confident that the party failed to demand internal discipline, and thus several deputies voted against the resolution.

But that does not account for the failure to approve the government’s proposal.

Primary blame for the defeat of the measure lies with the opposition — the secular, Kemalist parties that have governed the country since Ataturk.

Contrary to expectations, the opposition, responding to orders from party leaders, voted unanimously against the government’s position.

The leaders insisted on a disciplined "no" vote because of pressure — some would call it blackmail — from France and Germany.

The French and German governments informed the Turkish opposition parties that if they voted to help the Coalition war effort, Turkey would be locked out of Europe for a generation. As one Turkish leader put it, "there were no promises, only threats."

One can describe this behavior on the part of our erstwhile Old Europe allies only as a deliberate act of sabotage against America in time of war.

It is even worse than the behavior of France in the Security Council — first joining with us to give Iraq a "really, really, last chance" and then preventing us from acting as if the language of Resolution 1441 meant what it said.

It is of a piece with the exertions of French diplomats to "convince"African countries to vote against us in the U.N.

I think that when the events of the past few months are sorted out, we will find that French actions constitute the diplomatic equivalent of chemical and biological warfare.

Monsieur Chirac has stopped at nothing to try to prevent the defeat of Saddam Hussein, no matter how many American lives it cost.

And, more often than not, the Germans tagged along for the ride.

It is hard to imagine that such actions were solely the result of greed, whether personal or national.

To take such action, Mr. Chirac must have conceived of a French future not only independent of the United States, but in open opposition to us.

To be sure, he does not speak of France alone, or of the Franco/German entente, but rather of "Europe."

But he sees Europe as an extension of French power, not as a federal union in which all states will be free to pull their weight and pursue their sometimes diverging interests.

Thus, his rude insults to the Central European countries who joined with Spain, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands and the others who support our efforts to liberate Iraq.

If they want to be part of Europe, he said, they should just shut up.

This is all part of the tectonic shifts taking place all over the world.

President Bush the Elder intuited the emergence of a new world order once the Soviet empire fell,but it is only now that we can begin to see the profundity of the changes and the magnitude of the challenges we will face in the immediate future.

To blame a transformation of such magnitude on the diplomatic style of this administration, as so many of President George W. Bush’s critics do, is to personalize, and thereby trivialize a world-historical event.

We’d better understand it, and fast.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france; michaelledeen; turkey; war; warlist
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To: eleni121; Destro; a_Turk
You two Greeks take endless delight in taking potshots against a long term friendly nation (to the U.S.) like Turkey.

Let's talk about Greece for a change, and all the ways they have proved their friendship with the U.S. NOT!

121 posted on 03/27/2003 5:32:58 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Tamaqua
The irony is that within a generation France will be an occupied country.
And good riddance.
122 posted on 03/27/2003 5:36:53 AM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Ok specifics. According to this -ahem- expose (can I still use Frnech words?) France made Turkey do what it did. May I see what evidence exists for such a linkage? Policy paper? Meetings of diplomats?
123 posted on 03/27/2003 5:38:34 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: rmlew
I implied the brake happened in the 60s.
124 posted on 03/27/2003 5:40:07 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: dennisw
meltdown of what? -you know me better than that. I am still against the jihad and for the removal of Saddam. We don't need half baked explanations linking France to why diplomacy with Turkey failed.
125 posted on 03/27/2003 5:41:41 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Light Speed
I read this article. It wanders around, trying to make points all over the landscape. The author is uncertain as to what he/she is trying to say, and does not bring any clarity to the issue he/she is trying to discuss.

Maybe it's because Europeans are confused about which way they want their future to go.

126 posted on 03/27/2003 5:48:18 AM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
I am Greek in the sense that all members of Western Civilization are members of Hellenic civilization.

Secondly, the Greeks hostility to America came as a direct result of America's embrace of Turkey. The USA has been allied with Turkey since the 50s but Greece and the USA have been together since the War against the Turkish Barbary pirates. In fact America has fought two wars so far against Turkey, the war against the Barbary pirates (pirates under the Turkish flag) and WW1.

The fact that the USA has supported Islamic peoples over Christian ones in the Balkans and in Cyprus is the reason for such hostility.

Turkey was allied with America because of her fear of Russia and not because she has love for America. Self interest rules in all things. While Greece and Cyprus have asked for zero dollars cash for base and overfilights from us for Iraq, Turkey-now that the fear of the Russians is gone turns her back on us.

127 posted on 03/27/2003 5:50:16 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Your stuff about Trotskyites and Neo-Cons is 10% true. You are getting carried away by it. According to Pat Buchanan I must be a Neo-Con since I like our war on Iraq. Yet I was against our war on the Serbs and other actions you claim Neo-Cons were prominent in...but were not. Yes, Neos back Turkey (I admit this also helps Israel) and supported our bombing the Serbs, but what else?
128 posted on 03/27/2003 6:13:31 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Our positions are the same. But what makes this (and only this) article accurate? I find it speculation-and my point-of course rammed in with my heavy worded sledgehammer style (ok so I am bad at finesse) is that it is based more on neo-con "think" more than anything else. Let us win this war quickly and chain down these Muslim nations before they can rise aganst us.
129 posted on 03/27/2003 7:16:22 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: dennisw
By the way, I love your anti-jihad posts. But when it comes to Christians at least the Muslim Arabs and Persians have allowed the Christian population to be survive at a certain minimum % of the population after their eradication programs. The Turks went for full eradication.
130 posted on 03/27/2003 7:21:04 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Tamaqua
It has been obvious for some time that the bulk of our disgust should be reserved for the French and after that, the Germans. Turkey was being bullied just as Saddam bullied Iraq.
131 posted on 03/27/2003 7:35:08 AM PST by tiki
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To: Destro
...Turkey was allied with America because of her fear of Russia...

And for the love of $$$$.

132 posted on 03/27/2003 8:44:39 AM PST by Mihalis
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To: Mihalis
EXACTLY.
133 posted on 03/27/2003 8:59:46 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: happygrl; Destro
Greece allied itself with the west in both World Wars and throughout the modern era.

Turkey? NOT!
And now that Turks do not fear the russians they are showing their true Islamic colors and siding with the beast of Baghdad.
Greece was subjugated by the Muslim Turks for 400 years and the west looked away as millions of Christians in the Balkans (even up to slick Willie's time when the Serbian people suffered under both the Communists and the Clinton/Albright bombs) neglected, avoided, undermined the hopes of the people. And still even though very few had bothered to help the suffering of these people under the hideous Islamic yoke, Greeks were willing to lose hundreds of thousands fighting both great wars and a civil war in which the democracy loving Greek people defeated a Communist uprising.
Yes, Greece at present is dominated by left leaning Euro Socialist bunch of fools (the reasons for this may be obvious to some-not going into it here), but Greeks like others, although temporarily led astray are firm believers in the free market and democracy. Look at the US - we voted in Clinton for 8 years!

134 posted on 03/27/2003 10:13:31 AM PST by eleni121
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To: Destro
I implied the brake happened in the 60s.

Not if you claim that neo-cons idolized LBJ.
135 posted on 03/27/2003 3:06:53 PM PST by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Destro
The Turks went for full eradication.

For 1000 years, Christians and Jews lived under the Turks.

There was ethnic cleansing in 1922, but Greeks also expelled Turks.
136 posted on 03/27/2003 3:08:57 PM PST by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: happygrl
The article is Russki...maybe it does flow in Russian..and have some clarity..but I agree with you..its kinda all over the place.

Russian media is interesting in that the hint of trouble is forwarded in a theme...then a subtle..."We may participate in this..and maybe not".

There is a rift within NATO...this is an exploitable reality ....one that jilted partners might embrace.

Germany,France and Russia may use political trac to entangle Washington....keep America in the Tyrant role in the Euro media stream.

137 posted on 03/27/2003 3:42:52 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: rmlew
The Turks are, well Turks. They were not as organized or as speedy as the Germans.
138 posted on 03/27/2003 4:57:53 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Light Speed
Yes, those were some of the points that I was able to extract from this piece.

Perhaps Russian writers are still writing nuanced pieces as a way to cover the writers' personal bases in case the tide turns (as their history suggests it might). That way they (the writers) can argue for themselves from a variety of positions in order to save their necks.

Freedom can be a difficult reality to live in when one has grown up in the terror of totalitarianism.

139 posted on 03/28/2003 1:00:36 AM PST by happygrl
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