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PATRIOTIC CONSERVATIVES DURING “SHOCK AND AWE”
Chronicles Magazine ^ | 3/25/2003 | Thomas Fleming

Posted on 03/26/2003 6:16:32 AM PST by JohnGalt

PATRIOTIC CONSERVATIVES DURING “SHOCK AND AWE” by Thomas Fleming

March 25, 2003

How does a patriotic conservative behave when he believes his country has made a mistake by entering a war? “Politics ends at the water’s edge,” has been the conventional wisdom since the 1940’s. The statement was made by Senator Arthur Vandenberg, a Midwestern isolationist who signed on to FDR’s political adventurism and the postwar crusade against the Soviet Union. Vandenberg’s about-face is usually attributed to patriotism or Realpolitik. The reality turns out to be less noble: British intelligence agents set up the senator, who had a roving eye, with an attractive woman and then blackmailed him into submission, an operation described and documented in Thomas Mahl’s Desperate Deception.

The corollary to Vandenberg’s dictum is that as loyal citizens we must support the troops or even that we must obey the Commander-in-Chief. The President, however, is the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, not of the citizens of the United States. To suggest otherwise is to treat our country as a military dictatorship. As for supporting the troops, it depends on what we mean by troops and what we mean by support. Of course, no decent American would do anything to give aid and comfort to an enemy or to undermine the morale of American soldiers. One complicating factor, however, is that we no longer have a citizen army drafted from the people, but a volunteer army whose members have enlisted for a variety of reasons: good pay, education, career advancement. No one made them enlist, and the possibility of facing combat is one of the reasons they are paid so well. I think it is more accurate to say that we support them not as citizen-soldiers (which, for the most part, they are not) but as our fellow citizens who have elected to become soldiers. In the same spirit, we support the police and firemen or American diplomats who are attacked or kidnapped by the enemies of our country.

But it is one thing to support the troops, and another to give a blank check to a particular administration. What is the difference, morally speaking, between the statement “I support the troops, no matter what the cause and no matter how the war is conducted” and “I was only following orders”? Morally responsible people cannot suspend their consciences in time of war, and, if the United States decided to use poison gas or nuclear weapons against the people of Iraq, moral people would be obliged to speak out; and if there are moral Americans who agree with the Pope in believing that the United States is not justified in its war against Iraq, then they have the right and obligation to speak their minds--within the limits of civility and loyalty.

This brings me to the difficult position in which I find myself. I do not believe that the government of the United States has just cause to invade Iraq, and I believe strongly, for reasons that I and other Chronicles editors have previously stated in print, that the long-term result of this war will be an increase of Islamic terrorism against the United States, the solidification of Arabic hatred of our ally Israel, and the formation of anti-American alliances among France, Germany, Belgium, Russia, China, and who knows how many other important states. In the months leading up to the war, upon which George Bush resolved absolutely at least a year ago, which his advisors urged upon him shortly after the election, and which the neoconservatives claim to have decided upon before the end of 1997, we have spoken out forcefully against what we believed then and still believe to be a wrongheaded policy. Now that the war has come, and some of our predictions are already coming true (though the American media is not, for the most part, covering the violent demonstrations taking place in the Islamic world, especially in Cairo), I am not prepared to retract my statements or, insofar as the future is concerned, to fall silent on the difficult issues that our nation faces. Silence, under such circumstances, would be quite properly interpreted as a display of cowardice and opportunism worthy of Arthur Vandenberg.

On the other hand, as I have also made clear in recent months, I do not intend to join Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon and other self-promoting celebrities in their “peace” riots, or join forces with disgraceful and America-hating leftists like Ramsey Clark, or denounce the President with the usual stock comparisons to Hitler, Stalin, or Saddam Hussein. I do not condemn the decision made by some antiwar libertarians to take part in the antiwar movement. I believe they are mistaken, but, having made such mistakes in the past, I am in no position to point an accusing finger.

I firmly believe that the President is mistaken, misled by advisors who are either reckless adventurers or pursuing a political agenda that is not in the American interest. He is, on balance, a man of healthy instincts and, at this point, remains a better alternative than any candidate announced by the Democratic Party. Rhetorical attacks on George W. Bush, his administration, and his party will only serve to deepen and widen the breaches in American political life. This is a time for constructive dialogue among Americans of good will, not for reciprocal excommunications.

The best thing that could happen, both for the people of Iraq and for the Americans sent to fight this war, would be a speedy American victory, followed by a serious reconsideration of U.S. strategy. A long-term occupation, such as the neoconservatives envision, would only aggravate the serious problems we have already created. With these two objectives in mind, we shall continue to discuss and deplore the policies advocated by Donald Rumsfeld and his sinister advisors, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, and we shall continue to advocate an international strategy that acknowledges the independence of sovereign nations and the need for cooperation with the nations of Europe, including Russia.

We reserve our contempt for the little buglers and drummer boys, unleashing the dogs of war from the safety of their weblogs and chatrooms, but we offer our prayers for the American troops and for the people of Iraq. To the Bush administration, we shall continue to give the friendly advice and constructive (sometimes severe) criticism that is owed by loyal citizens to the government of the country they love.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: adultsnowincharge; antiwarright
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1 posted on 03/26/2003 6:16:32 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
All against the war can go to hell. It is that simple.
2 posted on 03/26/2003 6:31:28 AM PST by ohioman
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To: JohnGalt
"We reserve our contempt for the little buglers and drummer boys, unleashing the dogs of war from the safety of their weblogs and chatrooms, but we offer our prayers for the American troops and for the people of Iraq."

Some snippets from AMERICA'S FLAILING FRANCOPHOBES
by Thomas Fleming

"I succeeded in staying out of the military during the Vietnam War, and I would never assume the right to tell others to do a “duty” that I shirked."

Naw, but you'll assume to tell those who've never enjoyed your freedom to spout pointless crap that they should just take their rapes, tortures, and murders like good little foreigners.
Just have to post another line from that one, even though it's not on point:

"I love my country, knowing all the limitations and frailties of the American people, and I respect and admire the French, who have been a far greater nation than we shall ever be, that is, if greatness means anything loftier than money and bombs."

3 posted on 03/26/2003 6:45:14 AM PST by m1911
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To: m1911
The neo-Wilsonians and Canadian conservatives will never be in agreement with American conservatives. Thats a fair point, and FR has no borders.
4 posted on 03/26/2003 6:56:40 AM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
We reserve our contempt for the little buglers and drummer boys, unleashing the dogs of war from the safety of their weblogs and chatrooms...I served in the Corps, and I support the war. I expect that most veterans do as well. A good percentage of the counterprotesters in Reno last Saturday were veterans. Fleming is arguing by lies and slurs, not by facts. He is, quite simply, unleashing the dogs of anti-Semitic hatred from the safety of his web column. What a stud.
6 posted on 03/26/2003 1:04:26 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: The Irishman
Thought you might like this...
7 posted on 03/26/2003 1:07:10 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: Wavyhill
"unleashing the dogs of anti-Semitic hatred from the safety of his web column."

Compare his line with what other folks are saying about France. Or is French hatred okay and noble and manly?

And how "little buglers and drummer boys," can be read as code for anti-semitism is from the far reaches of the Chomsky school of linguistics.
8 posted on 03/26/2003 1:11:07 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
...they are paid so well.

What has dude been smoking?

Consider what a young airman writes to Cindy Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team responsible for the administration of a 5,000-host computer network.

I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food allowances, respectively) as being a further boon to an already overcompensated force. Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN, I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the vast piles of cash the DOD has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.

And when you're actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your op-ed piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe.

We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?

Rubbish!

A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC"

9 posted on 03/26/2003 1:12:46 PM PST by lodwick (Cheers)
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To: JohnGalt
Fine, you got me on the anti-Semitic part. Nevertheless, my main point stands--that he has no business accusing the neocons or other supporters of the war of cowardice for communicating via email, when he himself communicates via email. It isn't as if all the supporters of this war are people who've never served; indeed, there are far more veterans at protests in favor of the war than against. As for France, how is it unmanly to say that France has betrayed our trust? They have--as have Germany and Mexico, among others.
10 posted on 03/26/2003 1:18:21 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: Vic Mackey
Thanks. I believe this is not the time for debate on the why's of war. We should be more concerned about our boys fighting an evil regime. I am afraid the chemicals will come out soon.
11 posted on 03/26/2003 1:21:10 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Wavyhill
What are you talking about; Fleming didn't ask me to post this article. I 'stole' it from his website and posted it here for patriotic conservatives who were against the war to think about.

Clearly, its not for your consumption, but you should respect that one can be a conservative and disagree on the wisdom of a particular tactic.
12 posted on 03/26/2003 1:21:25 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
When Frum calls paleocons "unpatriotic," it's not because they oppose the war. It is because many of them display such vitriol toward supporters of the war that "unpatriotic" is a reasonable term. For instance, Georgie Anne Geyer is opposed to this war, but I doubt if Frum would call her unpatriotic; I certainly wouldn't. Misguided, but not unpatriotic. But the catalyst for Frum's article was another article in The American Conservative which accused neocons of having engineered the war to help Israel, knowing that it would be harmful to America but not caring because they were unpatriotic. Two points: first, Buchanan, who inspired Frum's article, has a long history of writing crypto-anti-Semitic columns, then saying they were misinterpreted, then writing more crypto-anti-Semitic columns. Second, if paleocons are going to accuse neocons of treason: what goes around comes around.
13 posted on 03/26/2003 1:32:03 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: Wavyhill
Again, if you like Frum's style and can stomach a Canadian Yalie, who's daddy paid for prep school all the way though to his MBA, as your 'goto guy,' all power to you.


14 posted on 03/26/2003 1:37:46 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: Akron Al
Saw you on Irishman's thread, thought you might like this article as something to read, not necesarily a reflection of your views.
15 posted on 03/26/2003 1:42:32 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
What does that have to do with his arguments? Do you honestly think all paleocon writers worked their way through school as night janitors? Many neocon, paleocon, and liberal writers come from wealthy families. They are successful based on how well their arguments resonate with people who are not as rich as they are. "He's a sissy and I can kick his ass" is generally not considered a valid argument. (Even if I have used that argument against Michael Moore).:)
16 posted on 03/26/2003 1:48:51 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: Wavyhill
And you are free to choose your intellectual heros.
17 posted on 03/26/2003 1:56:57 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: Wavyhill
Mostly, his arguments were lies and distortions being fed to an audience that buys into 'Buchanan as crypto-anti-Semite.'


18 posted on 03/26/2003 1:58:34 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
Listen, it isn't as if Buchanan were ousted from respectable conservative circles by a bunch of sneaky neocons overnight. Rather, they gave him chance after chance, and he kept saying he was misinterpreted and then biting at the anti-Semitic bait again. Case in point: much has been said about his column on the "amen corner" for Israel. In my view, while calling Israel's American supporters this might not show much class, it clearly is not anti-Semitic. But the rest of the article is!!! He states that men with names like Murphy, blah blah blah, and Leroy Brown will die in Iraq, and he carefully picks ethnically associated names. He just as carefully leaves any Jewish names out of the list. This was not only anti-Semitic, but cowardly. Nevertheless, conservatives generally let it go. Then, a few years later, he stated that we'd have been better off not getting into WWII. Some of them still let it go. Then, right after 9/11, he wrote that if we hadn't supported Israel, this wouldn't have happened. The man only gets so many chances.
19 posted on 03/26/2003 2:05:21 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: Wavyhill
Is "crypto-anti-Semitism" worse than out-right anti-Frankism?

20 posted on 03/26/2003 2:17:48 PM PST by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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