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4th Infantry Division Moves to Gulf
Associated Press | Sat Mar 22, 5:56 PM ET | DAVID RISING

Posted on 03/25/2003 6:21:29 AM PST by emt_27

FORT HOOD, Texas - For two months they lived on the edge, expecting the call at any moment. At last, soldiers with the Army's 4th Infantry Division on Saturday got some welcome news: Ships loaded with their equipment were on their way to the Persian Gulf.

It was a big relief.

"The speculation's over, the waiting is over, the wondering is over," said Maj. Josslyn Aberle, a public affairs officer. "Now it's time to go do our jobs."

Some 33,000 troops of the division or attached to it have been under orders to deploy since Jan. 18. They had to wait at Fort Hood and other bases, however, while Washington tried to negotiate with the Turkish government to allow them to passage through their country.

Military planners had wanted the 4th Infantry Division to use Turkey as a springboard to open a northern front against Iraq (news - web sites), which would have put extra pressure on Iraq's army by making it defend in several directions.

On Saturday, that plan apparently was abandoned. About 40 ships carrying weaponry for the 4th Infantry were on their way to the Gulf, expected to begin moving through the Suez Canal on Sunday, defense officials said.

The 4th Infantry's soldiers are likely to go to Kuwait, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity. It was also was possible that they could enter Iraq directly through the Gulf port of Umm Qasr, now under the control of British and U.S. Marines after clashes Friday with Iraqi forces.

Lead elements of the division are expected to fly out of Fort Hood early next week to begin preparations for the arrival of the division's troops.

Considered the Army's most lethal and deployable heavy division — with ultramodern equipment all linked by computers — the division made record time in loading its more than 14,000 pieces of equipment onto ships after it got orders, and then moving those ships to Turkey.

But waiting has been painful for the soldiers — especially as they see news of friends and relatives in other units now in action.

Going into the weekend, officers sought to reassure anxious troops watching the war unfold on TV that their time would soon come.

"We don't know when we're going to go. But everyone can watch the news, and pretty soon we're going to be out there doing the same thing," Maj. Steve Hite, executive officer of the 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery told the 500 men in his unit.

Soldiers getting new desert camouflage uniforms issued Saturday morning said they were relieved the ships were moving out.

"We've been sitting around for two-plus months," Staff Sgt. John Garfield, 31. "If it's affecting me, I know it's affecting the younger guys."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thinfantry; deployed; iraqifreedom
OK I need enlightenment. If the 4th ID was supposed to transit the Suez on Sunday, about what day should they start offloading in the Gulf, and how long before they join 3rd ID in combat against Republican Guards?
1 posted on 03/25/2003 6:21:29 AM PST by emt_27
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To: emt_27
I cannot link to the source.

Do you have the URL for this article?
2 posted on 03/25/2003 6:24:15 AM PST by Radix (We are not going to pull any punches at the battle of Baghdad)
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To: emt_27
In round numbers, probably 2 weeks.
3 posted on 03/25/2003 6:24:43 AM PST by thescourged1
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To: emt_27
http://www.4thinfantry.org/
4 posted on 03/25/2003 6:24:51 AM PST by leadpencil1
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To: emt_27
If the 4th ID can come up the north east finger of the red sea and unload in Jordan, and haul ass to the east they could make it just in time?
5 posted on 03/25/2003 6:24:53 AM PST by dtom
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To: dtom
Jordan doesn't dare allow us transit, nor does Israel, which must stay out of this fight. We have to go the long way.
6 posted on 03/25/2003 6:26:58 AM PST by LS
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To: Radix
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030322/ap_on_re_us/war_4th_infantry_deployment_2
7 posted on 03/25/2003 6:27:23 AM PST by emt_27
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To: emt_27
It sounds like their gear has transited the Suez. The Personnel will fly in and marry with the equipment.

The equipment I guess would take 4 to 5 days to go around the Straits of Hormuz and dock in Kuwait or Um Qasr. Then they have to offload it. That in itself is a several day operation. I'm afraid (or it might be good? that 3rd ID and I MEF will either be heavily engaged or the battle will be over before there can be a meaningful deployment of 4th ID. However, they can help up clean up the garbage in the South and I'm sure the Brits surrounding Basra would love to see them.

For what it's worth, the 3rd ID, 101st Airmobile and I MEF will be more than enough to handle the Iraqis around Baghdad. This is with the Coalition Air Forces. We shall see.

These are just guesses.

8 posted on 03/25/2003 6:30:29 AM PST by Credo
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To: emt_27
Good news.
9 posted on 03/25/2003 6:32:14 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: emt_27
Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I don't beleive these stories that say the 4ID isn't even there yet. I think they are going to pop up out of nowhere with a very nasty surprise for the Iraqis.
10 posted on 03/25/2003 6:32:29 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
They could off load in western Saudi Arabia and haul ass to the east, if they let us?
11 posted on 03/25/2003 6:34:29 AM PST by dtom
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To: Credo
and this could all be headfakes. we have to have some tactical surprises, somewhere. CNN has been the worst at making sure to ask their embedded corresps exactly where they are by circumlocution and any other way they can. Made me sick yesterday night to hear the newsbabe GRILL the poor embedee to try and reveal his position. Almost as if CNN is a logistical part of an Iraqi RG artillery spotter team. Why don't you just ask for the GPS coords dammit.
12 posted on 03/25/2003 6:34:50 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: Trust but Verify
I too am waiting for the big suprise. I would bet something is in the works.
13 posted on 03/25/2003 6:39:38 AM PST by winodog (The problem is sin. The solution is Christ.)
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To: Credo
I'm afraid (or it might be good? that 3rd ID and I MEF will either be heavily engaged or the battle will be over before there can be a meaningful deployment of 4th ID.

Don't worry. The 4th ID will see plenty of action mopping up after the mad dash to the North the other forces have made.

It will be like shooting ducks in a barrel.

14 posted on 03/25/2003 6:41:07 AM PST by A2J (Those who truly understand peace know that its father is war.)
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To: A2J
No doubt, the 4th will see action. To what extent - who knows?
15 posted on 03/25/2003 6:46:25 AM PST by Credo
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To: epluribus_2
Hey, don't give CNN any ideas. I could see them planting a GPS device on their correspondents to keep track of them, and then broadcast their location, all as part of their First Amendment rights. Oh, and its for the children, as well!
16 posted on 03/25/2003 7:19:53 AM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: winodog
I do not beleieve there aren't a lot of forces, more than we are being told, in places whose names haven't been spoken. The 'shock' of the 'shock and awe'.
17 posted on 03/25/2003 7:22:59 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
Didn't the 4th's cargo ships get docked in Crete a while back? Turkey was charging like one million a day docking fee. I had considered at the time C117's...
18 posted on 03/25/2003 7:26:55 AM PST by El Laton Caliente
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To: El Laton Caliente
If this did not happen and they went thru Turkey would we be here in this time with Iraq.

How much did Iraq and Iran play with Turkey?

Who are our Allies that John Kerry calls to help us?

19 posted on 10/05/2004 5:20:55 AM PDT by Baseballguy
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