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Allies Risk 3000 Casualties in Baghdad - Ex-General
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| 3-24-03
Posted on 03/24/2003 7:37:15 PM PST by oursacredhonor
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To: Arkinsaw
I agree. If we could find out where the flank is and then just roll it up one fortification after another, that would be great.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:18:26 PM PST
by
peeve23
To: exsolus
just nuke 'em. Agreed. If this takes more than a few American lives, due to errors and a few rogue attacks, then let's flex our muscles and show the Iraqi Regime what "WAR" is really about. I'm tired of this "BS" agenda to "SAVE" innocent Iraqi life at the expense of "innocent" American-Military life. It's a pathetic and disgusting trade off.
To: kosciuszko
the only good thing about the sandstorm is the wind, the wind will blow from the southwest to the northeast, so any chem artillery will quickly disperse and blown back to baghdad city instead of our troops in the south or over karbala...
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:18:47 PM PST
by
FRgal4u
To: commish
We take 3000 and they take 30000+ .. sounds reasonable to me.I think you may have the wrong number,in past american war's the casuality ratio is something on the order of 750-800 to one. In short if we take 3000 the whackies will take ________. you do the math.
To: FRgal4u
I am jewish, son... Jews can be anti-semites, too. The country's full of them.
What "idea" did the three men, who all just happened to be Jews, push through? That the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein?
And what's with this "chicken hawk" nonsense?
I'm afraid I don't believe you; you use too many paleo-con catch phrases.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:19:32 PM PST
by
sinkspur
To: commish
We take 3000 and they take 30000+ .. sounds reasonable to me.How about we take zero and they take all of the destruction? That sounds much more reasonable to me. It's called BIG BIG BIG BOMBS!
To: oursacredhonor
I wonder if this general isn't one of Clinton's Kool Aid drinkers. All the same, I keep thinking about the street fighting in Hue during Tet, 1968. The Marines and the Cav may not have taken 3,000 casualties in that fight, but at the same time, taking that objective didn't come cheap.
To: peeve23
I agree. If we could find out where the flank is and then just roll it up one fortification after another, that would be great.
Chancellorsville 2003 would be better than Fredricksburg 2003.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:20:18 PM PST
by
Arkinsaw
To: FRgal4u
look at the rummy hyperbole... 1) decapitation - 2) lack of command and control 3) losing control 4) shock and awe 5) massive surrenderings and 6) happy iraqis to greet us... "
Ok. Let's
1. decapitation. The photo op king of Bagdad appears on a TAPE with 50 to 60 EDITS.? No mention of POWs?
2.Lack of command. We are told radio contact is minimal,unless you are using camels its tuff to transmit. Don't you wonder why the great DICKtator praised, on his taped announcment, a division that SURRENDERED?
3.Losing control. Even liberal sources are saying the resistance has been sporadic and unruly? IF the kingpiin were alive would it be so? Yeah, could be a trap, doubt it.
4. Shock and awe? You have witnessed the greatest precision effort since JOEY CHATWOOD took to the ovals with his famed STUNT team. You saw palaces the size of small cities leveled yet the street lights still shine. I'm in awe.
5.+ 6.Mass surenders, happy to greet?...Depends what you read and where you look. The places I trust see it that way: happy surrenderers. Time will tell, you post me if I'm wrong.
Have Faith in that you trust, GOD Bless America.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:21:18 PM PST
by
try phecta tom
((Harvey RULES. Paul not the rabbit)
To: oursacredhonor
Over the next year, be happy with anything less than 5000 dead and 15,000 wounded.
To: FreedomCalls
Those islands were not urban environments. The US track record in cities in WWII, Korea and Vietnam is very good. We tend to stand back and blow the hell out of buildings holding the enemy.
The caves of those Pacific islands were harder nuts to crack for heavy artillery and air attacks. Small openings compared to buildings. Plus, near misses didn't cause the ground around them to collapse as they would for buildings. Also, urban environments also provide a lot of cover for attackers to get up closer than one could in Okinawa.
Finally, friendly fire seemed to have caused a very high percentage of casualties in those battles. Our own naval bombardments and air attacks were very dangerous to our troops in that type of hilly terrain.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:23:49 PM PST
by
LenS
To: kosciuszko
I'm with you. What's really scaring me is that sand storm coming. Iraqis know how to fight in those circumstances -- or at least, they have a much better idea of how to take advantage of such weather.
Oh, please! The insinuation that planners didn't consider desert conditions when our troops have been training for a war in Iraq for the past 12 years is insulting to our intelligence. I'd wager that our troops are better trained for fighting in a sand-storm than Saddams troops!
To: LADYAK
I've been praying the same prayer.
To: BluH2o
McCaffrey sold his sole ... Ahhh ... make that soul.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:24:30 PM PST
by
BluH2o
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To: org.whodat
"I think you may have the wrong number,in past american war's the casuality ratio is something on the order of 750-800 to one." We lost 47,000+ lives in the Vietnam War. With a 750:1 ratio, that works out to 35,250,000+ people we killed in that war. Not likely.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:26:15 PM PST
by
CatOwner
To: fooman
WHy was barry an ass?
Actually I need to take that back. According to my husband and plenty of other officers that I know he was a son of a bitch.
Arrogant. Imperious. Cut-throat. hyper political. He changed General Thurman's and General Joulwan's policies at Southcom in such a way to completely stop any progress made on the Drug War.
Every wife dreaded their husband coming home from work every night and most nights they had to come home late. I could go on but I think I have said enough.
Many Generals are demanding, I know that. Many are also arrogant. But, this guy had no redeeming characteristic. Which is why, I am sure, that he fit in well with the Clinton administration.
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posted on
03/24/2003 8:26:16 PM PST
by
Lauratealeaf
(God Bless Our Troops and President George W. Bush)
To: Joseph_CutlerUSA
QUOTE:
"I'd consider that a grand victory...3,000 casualties for all of Baghdad."
I wouldn't consider 3,000 casualties a grand victory. This article was in the Express-Times, my local paper, this morning:
Local Army man, Captain Chris Seifert, victim of grenade attack [Easton, PA]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/873795/posts
To: oldtimer
We are fighting just like they did in the old Testament.Wish we could just march around Baghdad seven times, blow our trumpets and watch the walls of Baghdad fall. :)
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