US Wins appeal on Domestic Spy Powers

Associated Press | 3/24/2003 | Annie Gearan

[Poohbah]

Good call.

What the traitorous scumbags screaming about this don't want to admit is that the FISA court was created by a TRULY bipartisan group of lawmakers that sought to balance the questions of individual civil liberties on the one hand and the need to keep from tipping off surveillance suspects on the other hand.

[B Knotts]

Ah...but will we be cheering this when Hillary! is the one in control of
surveillance? Something to consider, anyhow...

[riversarewet]

There has not been another major attack in the United States since 9/11 - Could this aggressive use of wiretaps be one of the reasons?

[Poohbah]

She WAS in charge of making those requests for eight years, remember?

FISA was created way back in 1978.

[Asclepius]

Ah...but will we be cheering this when Hillary! is the one in control of surveillance? Something to consider, anyhow...

When Hillary is the one in control?

[B Knotts]

I don't wish it to happen, but, remember: her husband won, twice. The voters are fickle. I fear '08. It could happen. Obviously, we must do everything we can to prevent it, though.

[Lysander]

The President and Congress are simply not capable of preventing terrorist attacks from occurring by legislation or by curtailing our rights. The solution is prevention of the cause of terrorism, our failed intervention into the Israel-Palestinian fight.

They should stop pretending and focus their attention on combating terrorism within the framework of a free society, unless the real goal is a militaristic police state.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Good - despite what some droolers on this thread may say, this is an excellent decision.

[George W. Bush]

The court was wise. They have left the door open to curb this potentially dangerous law at a later date. In other words, they told the ACLU to come back later. Exactly right.

[sinkspur]

In other words, they told the ACLU to come back later.

Yea. They'll have to find one of those secretly-arrested terrorists, then get him to file suit.

Then find a judge who'll agree in public with a terrorist.

I can hardly wait.

[sinkspur]

unless the real goal is a militaristic police state.

You've got the libertarian mantra down, don't you?

[tpaine]

"What the traitorous scumbags screaming about this don't want to admit is that the FISA court was created by a TRULY bipartisan group of lawmakers that sought to balance the questions of individual civil liberties on the one hand and the need to keep from tipping off surveillance suspects on the other hand."
2 -poo-


What the overwrought scumbags screaming ~for~ this don't want to admit is that the FISA court was created by a TRULY irrational bipartisan group of lawmakers that sought to balance the questions of individual civil liberties on the one hand and the need to keep from tipping off surveillance suspects on the other hand, -- and failed.

--- They have the insane idea that constitutional liberties can be defended by allowing a 'small amount' of infringement.
For close to 100 years now, one bit of infringement has built on another, and our free republic is dying the death of a thousand cuts.
- When the wrong political demagogue finds the right crisis to use as an excuse to ~really~ exercise these powers, we can kiss our freedom goodby.

Bet on it.

[sinkspur]

Lookey here! If it isn't the terrorists' best friend! What rights have you lost, you, tpaine, as a result of the government being able to lock up terrorists without telling anybody?

Does it piss you off that FISA's been around since 1978, and, horror of horrors, we've managed to survive?

[tpaine]

Good - despite what some droolers on this thread may say, this is an excellent decision.
9 -cp- salivating over the 'power'

What makes you imagine you'll be on the 'winning side' of using such power, palp?

[tpaine]

Lookey here! If it isn't big brothers best friend, sinky!
What imagined safeties have you gained my boy, as a result of the government being able to lock up terrorists without telling anybody?
Does it tick you off that the constitutions been around since 1787, and, horror of horrors, we've managed to survive without such obvious infringments?

[sinkspur]

What imagined safeties have you gained my boy, as a result of the government being able to lock up terrorists without telling anybody?

You answer your own question. They're behind bars, lunkhead. One of the Buffalo Six just pled guilty, today, to being al-Qaeda.

They're here. And I don't give a damn what has to happen to get 'em outta here.

[tpaine]

What imagined safeties have been gained as a result of the government being able to lock up terrorists without telling anybody?


You answer your own question. They're behind bars, lunkhead.
-sinky-

How weird that you would claim to to know, if they don't "tell anybody" ... Psychic?

BTW, -- take your silly personal asides to the backroom. They make you appear to be even more of a lunkhead.

[sinkspur]

How weird that you would claim to to know, if they don't "tell anybody" ... Psychic?

I don't know. But, if they're not locking them up, then you don't have a thing to worry about, do you?

[WoofDog123]

"I don't know. But, if they're not locking them up, then you don't have a thing to worry about, do you?"

If this is expanded to allow information not involving terrorism gained from secret wiretaps/email survelliance to be passed onto other law enforcement agencies, what will your position be? Do you think that isn't going to be proposed later on (or sooner?), if only for the children??