"There really aren't any significant issues that have come to light in terms of road rage or people pulling out their guns in a dispute," said 1st Lt. Kari Kusmierz of the state police. "But we can't draw any conclusions about the law's impact."
Right.
1 posted on
03/24/2003 12:16:09 PM PST by
jdege
To: *bang_list
Bang!
2 posted on
03/24/2003 12:16:27 PM PST by
jdege
To: jdege
I say carry whenever you can. I have been armed lately due to the violent peace demos I have had to drive near. Those folks are scary!
3 posted on
03/24/2003 12:18:44 PM PST by
Feiny
To: jdege
I believe gun control is being able to hold it steady and hit the intended target.
To: jdege
In the meantime, dire visions of Dodge City-caliber mayhem that were forecast two years ago by critics of Michigan's new concealed-carry law have not materialized, according to Michigan State Police. Or any other state that passes shall-issue laws.
5 posted on
03/24/2003 12:23:36 PM PST by
MileHi
To: jdege; Travis McGee
Disputed research over right-to-carry laws is at the heart of the battle. A book by former University of Chicago professor John Lott claiming that liberalized gun ownership laws have helped reduce crime was challenged recently by Stanford University law professor John Donohue, who argued that such laws may increase crime.Fact vs fiction.
6 posted on
03/24/2003 12:24:59 PM PST by
hollywood
(THIS JUST IN! It turns out that I'm pro-choice. I choose revolvers.)
To: jdege
In most states, only one or two per cent of the population get permits, and I doubt that is enough to deter a lot of crime. If that number were up to 10%, though, the odds would be that most busses, most stores, etc. would have at least one gun in them. That would make things much scarier for a criminal.
To: jdege
bump
18 posted on
03/24/2003 12:56:40 PM PST by
VOA
To: jdege
Nebraska is debating the right to carry, LB 265 this week.If not for one MAJOR senator whose name shall be unmentioned, we could possible pass it....
But don't hold your breath.....
To: jdege
In Missouri, where voters in 1999 defeated a ballot proposal allowing people the right to carry concealed weapons, the state House this month approved a measure similar to the one voters rejected. Democratic Gov. Bob Holden has vowed to veto the bill, which is before the Senate."The people have already spoken," said Mary Still, Holden's press secretary. "The governor does not think this would take the state in the right direction, and it would not make society safer."
I'm still angry as hell over that one! First off, the measure was defeated in just 3 counties in the state (I believe). Jackson, which hold Kansas City, Boone, which holds Columbia, and St Loius County. And I believe that it was shown that in St Louis County there were more votes cast than registered voters!
There were serious allegations of voter fraud, and Steven Hill, (at the time) the US Attourney in KC, actively worked against the measure, going so far as to send out letters voicing his opposition to the measure on his office letterhead. And there were a long list of corporate opponents, none of which I'll ever do buisness with again, including Hallmark, the KC Royals, and the KC Chiefs.
Mark
28 posted on
03/24/2003 1:26:20 PM PST by
MarkL
To: jdege
It's always funny to me that the "nay sayers" are always wrong when it comes to predicting more gun crime, when studies show crime goes down after a state passes concealed weapons legislation. Thugs don't like to think of a "target packing".....
30 posted on
03/24/2003 1:44:02 PM PST by
Teetop
(democrats....... socialist.........whats the difference?)
To: jdege
That
makes my day.
My friends' day, too!
31 posted on
03/24/2003 1:50:14 PM PST by
sonofatpatcher2
(Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
To: jdege
The remaining states allow concealed weapons, but only after local officials have approved an individual's application. In these states, people have to prove they need to carry a gun.As usual, the media distorts. South Dakota, for instance, is a "right to carry" state. Law enforcement must prove the citizen should not have a concealed permit. "Need" is determined by the citizen. After all, this is a "RIGHT"...not a "privledge".
To: jdege
In the meantime, dire visions of Dodge City-caliber mayhem that were forecast two years ago by critics of Michigan's new concealed-carry law have not materialized, according to Michigan State Police.Last year at this time, newspapers all across Michigan noted the disappointment of county prosecutors and politically-appointed cops that there hadn't yet been a bloodbath among CCW holders. However, they held out hope that the second year of the new law would bring the carnage they desired.
I can confidently predict another wave of articles next week announcing disappointment of a second year without massacres, but holding out hope for the upcoming year. These leftist ghouls are actually hoping for one criminal homicide involving a CCW holder, so they can proclaim the law a failure, and demand its repeal.
To: jdege
"More guns produce more crime"?
Haven't these liberal writing talking point pukes even bothered looking at the stats from places that have banned guns?
Australia and the UK have soaring crime rates because the crooks know they are safe from harm.
"Course, I know that Liberals never let facts get in the way of the meaning and intent of what they are doing.
It's all about how they 'feel', not what it really does.
Hopefully, we'll win this too.
Then the next time a terror-buttboy tries something he ends up perforated from brisket to cloven hoof.
53 posted on
03/25/2003 6:27:20 AM PST by
Darksheare
(Nox aeternus en pax.)
To: jdege
"The Ohio Highway Patrol and police chiefs oppose the measure, and Republican Gov. Bob Taft is expected to veto the bill if it reaches his desk in its current form." A RINO at his finest. Who protects you Mr. Taft?
"Six states - Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Ohio and Wisconsin - prohibit concealed weapons."
And several more effectively prohibit concealed carry (or any sort of carry for self defense) with "may issue" language: New Jersey (a big one), New York, Massachusetts, California, Maryland. I might be missing some.
55 posted on
03/25/2003 7:58:21 AM PST by
jjm2111
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