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Yet another human shield is "shocked back to reality"
UPI ^
| 3/21/03
| Arnaud de Borchgrave
Posted on 03/23/2003 11:02:55 AM PST by soccermom
A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: arnauddeborchgrave; epiphany; humanshield; iraqissupportbush; naive; torture; truth
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Another naive one gets an epiphany!!!!
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:02:56 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom
a
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:04:05 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom
BUMP
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:04:16 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom
BUMP
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:04:18 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom
for
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:04:41 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom
the-not-so-terminally
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:05:10 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom
NAIVE!!!!!
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:05:27 AM PST
by
soccermom
To: soccermom; Admin Moderator
IMO, this needs higher visibility.
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:06:55 AM PST
by
FreeReign
To: soccermom
Awesome report. Arnaud de Borchgrave lends a great deal of credibility to this.
To: Larry Lucido
posted 4-5 times over the past day.
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:09:29 AM PST
by
libbylu
To: FreeReign
Thanks for the BUMP. I hope the footage makes into onto a commercial.
To: libbylu
OOOOps ...sorry
To: soccermom
Why don't the "human shields" volunteer to protect allied POWs from Iraqi torture?
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:10:58 AM PST
by
xJones
To: libbylu
I did a search for "human shield" and this didn't come up -- only the editorial from the other guy.
To: soccermom
...with 14 hours of uncensored video...I sure hope this video gets to Fox News before a CNN type grabs it.
Hello --- Fox News --- Do you read me?
A_R
To: soccermom
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:17:07 AM PST
by
libbylu
To: soccermom
Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start....They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."
Something the 'anti-war,' 'No Blood For Oil' protestors conveniently ignored??
We can assume Peter Jennings himself would commit suicide (sob, sniffle) rather than report this story.
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:17:42 AM PST
by
F16Fighter
(Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
To: soccermom; MadIvan
To: libbylu
"posted 4-5 times over the past day."First time I saw it...
IMO, it can't be posted enough.
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:19:17 AM PST
by
F16Fighter
(Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
To: arkady_renko
The Sunday Telegraph March 23, 2003 Daniel Pepper
I wanted to join the human shields in Baghdad because it was direct action which had a chance of bringing the anti-war movement to the forefront of world attention. It was inspiring: the human shield volunteers were making a sacrifice for their political views - much more of a personal investment than going to a demonstration in Washington or London. It was simple - you get on the bus and you represent yourself.
So that is exactly what I did on the morning of Saturday, January 25. I am a 23-year-old Jewish-American photographer living in Islington, north London. I had travelled in the Middle East before: as a student, I went to the Palestinian West Bank during the intifada. I also went to Afghanistan as a photographer for Newsweek. The human shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see Saddam removed.
We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the US and UK governments. I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad, Iraq good". He looked at me with an expression of incredulity.
As he realised I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he would kill your whole family. It scared the hell out of me. First I was thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you."
Of course I had read reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing. Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous, emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from Saddam's tyrannical Iraq. I became increasingly concerned about the way the Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and the threat of an aerial bombardment.
"Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America to bomb Saddam." We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war.
The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had. Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?"
It hit me on visceral and emotional levels: this was a real portrayal of Iraq life. After the first conversation, I completely rethought my view of the Iraqi situation. My understanding changed on intellectual, emotional, psychological levels. I remembered the experience of seeing Saddam's egomaniacal portraits everywhere for the past two weeks and tried to place myself in the shoes of someone who had been subjected to seeing them every day for the last 20 or so years. Last Thursday night I went to photograph the anti-war rally in Parliament Square. Thousands of people were shouting "No war" but without thinking about the implications for Iraqis. Some of them were drinking, dancing to Samba music and sparring with the police. It was as if the protesters were talking about a different country where the ruling government is perfectly acceptable. It really upset me.
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posted on
03/23/2003 11:21:35 AM PST
by
aimhigh
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