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'You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious'
The Guardian ^ | Saturday March 22, 2003 | James Meek in Safwan

Posted on 03/22/2003 2:26:28 PM PST by Cricket24

Yesterday afternoon a truck drove down a side road in the Iraqi town of Safwan, laden with rugs and furniture. Booty or precious possessions? In a day of death, joy and looting, it was hard to know. As the passengers spotted European faces, one boy grinned and put his thumb up. The other nervously waved a white flag. The mixed messages defined the moment: Thank you. We love you. Please don't kill us.

US marines took Safwan at about 8am yesterday. There was no rose-petal welcome, no cheering crowd, no stars and stripes.

Afraid that the US and Britain will abandon them, the people of Safwan did not touch the portraits and murals of Saddam Hussein hanging everywhere. It was left to the marines to tear them down. It did not mean there was not heartfelt gladness at the marines' arrival. Ajami Saadoun Khlis, whose son and brother were executed under the Saddam regime, sobbed like a child on the shoulder of the Guardian's Egyptian translator. He mopped the tears but they kept coming.

"You just arrived," he said. "You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave."

"For a long time we've been saying: 'Let them come'," his wife, Zahara, said. "Last night we were afraid, but we said: 'Never mind, as long as they get rid of him, as long as they overthrow him, no problem'." Their 29-year-old son was executed in July 2001, accused of harbouring warm feelings for Iran.

"He was a farmer, he had a car, he sold tomatoes, and we had a life that we were satis fied with," said Khlis. "He was in prison for a whole year, and I raised 75m dinars in bribes. It didn't work. The money was gone, and he was gone. They sent me a telegram. They gave me the body."

The marines rolled into the border town after a bombardment which left up to a dozen people dead. Residents gave different figures. A farmer, Haider, who knew one of the men killed, Sharif Badoun, said: "Killing some is worth it, to end the injustice and suffering." The men around him gave a collective hysterical laugh.

The injustice of tyranny was merged in their minds with the effects of sanctions. "Look at the way we're dressed!" said Haider, and scores of men held up their stained, holed clothes. "We are isolated from the rest of the world."

The marines took Safwan without loss, although a tank hit a mine. "They had to clear that route through. They found the way to punch through and about 10 Iraqi soldiers surrendered immediately," said Marine Sergeant Jason Lewis, from Denver, standing at a checkpoint at the entrance to the town where, minutes earlier, a comrade had folded a huge portrait of President Saddam and tucked it into his souvenir box.

The welcome, he admitted, had been cool. "At first they were a little hesitant," he said. "As you know, Saddam's a dictator, so we've got to reassure them we're here to stay _ We tore down the Saddam signs to show them we mean business.

"Hopefully this time we'll do it right, and give these Iraqis a chance of liberty."

But the marines' presence was light. They had not brought food, medicines, or even order. All day hundreds of armoured vehicles poured through the town. But they did not stop, and the looting continued. Every government establishment seemed to be fair game. People covered their faces in shame as they carried books out of a school. Tawfik Mohammed, the headmaster, initially denied his school had been looted, then admitted it. "This is the result of your entering," he said. "Whenever any army enters an area it becomes chaos. We are cautious about the future. We are very afraid."

Safwan yesterday was a place where people were constantly taking you aside to warn in veiled terms that it was necessary to be careful. Everywhere was the lingering fear that the revenge killings that swept the area in 1991 - a product of US encourage ment and then abandonment of the southern Iraqi revolt - could happen again.

"Now, we are afraid [Saddam's] government will come back," said Haider, as the Safwan Farmers' Cooperative was being looted behind him. "We don't trust the Americans any more. People made a revolution, and they didn't help us."

Safwan is a crumbling, dead-end place, full of poor, restless young men, and reliant on the tomato trade for its income. Farmers were panicking yesterday as they asked journalists, in lieu of anyone better, how they were supposed to sell their tomatoes.

A handful of soldiers, mainly US marines but with a few British, are struggling to cope with the chaos and the lack of health care or aid.

At a checkpoint just north of the town two British military policemen with paramedical training and a US doctor rushed to treat two Iraqi men brought in on the back of a beaten-up pick-up truck. Their legs were lacerated by shrapnel. The military policemen did their conscientious best, and may have saved their lives.


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KEYWORDS: iraqifreedom; liberators; safwan; thankyouamerica
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To: DannyTN
Was it the UN or the Arabs in the coalition that prevented 41 from taking out Saddam?

The U.N. with multiple 3rd world middle eastern countries as members.

21 posted on 03/22/2003 2:58:58 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Somebody - is "thumbs up" a positive sign in arab culture or is it the equivalent of the middle finger? I've heard both.
22 posted on 03/22/2003 3:08:56 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.
"You just arrived," he said. "You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave"

I hope the President does see or hear this to compliment the father of the marine killed in the helicopter crash who thrilled the leftist media with his angry comments to "Mr. Bush".

23 posted on 03/22/2003 3:11:02 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: EGPWS
i thought of a new pro-America rally sign:

U.N. TO IRAQIS: YOU'RE NOT WORTH SAVING

24 posted on 03/22/2003 3:12:39 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: DannyTN
"Well, we really screwed them in '91. Can't blame them for doubting us. "
"Were not alone in that though are we? Wasn't it their Arab brothers in the coalition that didn't want us to take Saddam out? "

Also, don't forget, that after we agreed to the UN-desired cease-fire & end to hostilities, Bush 41 and his advisers thought that the Hussein regime would implode after the failed war. The Shi'ites and the Kurds would rise up, revolt, and Saddam would be finished. However, WE DIDN'T BACK UP THE SEPARATISTS. We even allowed Hussein to keep his attack helicopters (?!?), which he used to slaughter the revolutionaries. We should have done much more to support them and stand by them AFTER the cease fire; maybe we wouldn't have had to go through the last 12 years of lying, murders and games.

Thank goodness 43 is taking care of bidness, and will leave no one hanging--except maybe Saddam, Qusay and Uday, at the end of their gallows ropes.
25 posted on 03/22/2003 3:13:21 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Love, peace, and harmony: Very nice, very nice, very nice...but maybe in the next world.)
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To: Steven W.
"thumbs up" a positive sign in arab culture or is it the equivalent of the middle finger? I've heard both.

It's irrelevant now, for the directive put in place is going to insure that us Americans are going to live without fear and have an attitude of living in an atmosphere of freedom as God has given us the right to do.

26 posted on 03/22/2003 3:22:32 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: stands2reason
U.N. TO IRAQIS: YOU'RE NOT WORTH SAVING

Sad as it is IMHO what they are saying is "you're not worth saving IF it means NOT putting the good ol' US of A in it's place. And yes it IS sad.

27 posted on 03/22/2003 3:27:26 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Cricket24
"You just arrived," he said. "You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave."

EGAD, that's enough to bring tears. As much respect as I have for the elder President Bush, I knew he was making a mistake by bowing to those who said we couldn't take Saddam out because it would 'destabilize' the region.

For 12 years, I've felt guilty that we were unable to finish it, though no doubt leaving Saddam alive was the only choice available to us at the time in order to gain Saudi cooperation - and our accidental attempts to blow him up anyway missed.

All I can say to these people is : We're sorry we're late, but we had to wait for the right leader and the right circumstances. But we're here now, and we are going to finish this.

28 posted on 03/22/2003 3:36:05 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: MNLDS
Yeah, the helicopters were a mistake.

The idea of letting the regime implode didn't sound too bad, but we should have supported them when the time came. And we should have had a game plan in place if it failed.

It really was a gamble we should have never taken. Hindsight's 20/20.
29 posted on 03/22/2003 3:37:21 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Dark Templar
Bump for later reading.
31 posted on 03/22/2003 3:46:43 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: Dark Templar
Going to the United Nations was a big mistake, this time as well as in 90-91. George H. W. Bush went to the UN in the fall of 90 to satisfy the democrats. He also gave in to a tax hike which they later used against him in the 92 election. Unfortunately, his son, George W. Bush made the same mistake. I just hope he doesn't give up the tax breaks!!
32 posted on 03/22/2003 3:48:02 PM PST by Cricket24
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To: Cricket24
"Afraid that the US and Britain will abandon them, the people of Safwan did not touch the portraits and murals of Saddam Hussein hanging everywhere"

Hmmm...mister Guardian reporter...perhaps you just weren't in the right place at the right time...this certainly looks like TOUCHING to me...



An Iraqi man in Safwan beats a poster of Saddam with his shoe after a US marine starts tearing it down.

33 posted on 03/22/2003 3:48:10 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: DannyTN
"Was it the UN or the Arabs in the coalition that prevented 41 from taking out Saddam?"

Both...but I remember VIVIDLY the sinking feeling in my gut when it became clear that the only way we would be allowed to stage out of Saudi was to promise not to harm Saddam, because it might destabilize the region and whomever took over for him might be worse...in fact, the same argument the same suspescts are making AGAIN right now.

34 posted on 03/22/2003 3:53:27 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: mewzilla
Yep, we should apologize once this is over. It was a tragic mistake.
37 posted on 03/22/2003 4:07:34 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: concerned about politics
The ruling Sunni Ba'ath Party are socialists. That is my take on why so many leftists love them and really don't want that party to fall.
38 posted on 03/22/2003 4:09:40 PM PST by FirstTomato ("In the end,We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" M L King)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
It wasn't a mistake. We knew what we were doing and did it anyway. But I think we're doing our best to atone for it now.
39 posted on 03/22/2003 4:09:42 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
I meant mistake as something you shouldn't have done. I know it was deliberate.
40 posted on 03/22/2003 4:20:41 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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