[Arab TV Claims] US Jet Shot Down by Iraqi Anti Aircraft Fire [Female Pilot Captured]

Islamic Republic News Agency and 'Al Arabiya' TV ^ | March 22, 2003 | BH/JB

[ewing]

Iraq anti aircraft shot down an invading jet over Baghdad Saturday, the al-Arabiya television channel said.

The aircrafts pilot-a woman-and its co-pilot parachuted safely but were captured by Iraqi forces.

[TankerKC]

Female pilots do not fly combat missions.

They sure do. See post #48.

Still, I doubt that this is correct.

[wardaddy]

Plenty here who think they should be. I'm not one of them.

[Jhoffa_]

They've been flyin' fighter planes for years now, and actually their relatively smaller frames and particulars in women's physiology make them fairly ideal for the job.

Or just the USAF's version of Affirmative Action..

[RGSpincich]

efforts in Iraq to my four-year-old daughter (who happens to be of Mexican heritage).

Read fast and scroll and you have yourself some Mexican lepricauns who are going to help us win the war.

[HairOfTheDog]

JHoffa, I know from experience that you have issues, your tired tag line indicates that clearly. I am not licensed to fix you.

Unless you are a pilot, which I am (civillian) then don't tell me you know more than me about fitting into a little cockpit or flight physiology!

Women are not a strong as a man. But flying is not a muscle-dependent role. An F-16 is a great equalizer.

[anguish]

Women can take higher G's, right? Think I heard something like that on Discovery

[jlogajan]

It took weeks for the US to admit that Scott Speicher was shot down on the first night of Gulf War 1.

And rightly so. The US should never admit a pilot is down until his/her wearabouts are known and any possible rescue attempts have been made.

[jlogajan]

whereabouts

[LaGrone]

Arabs seldom tell the truth.

[ewing]

Is that true that women can take superior G's?

It wouldnt suprise me based on the differences in phyisology

[ApesForEvolution]

If and when women are drafted, there will be hell to pay. A society that uses women in warfare would promote the butchering of tens of millions of unborn babies too I suppose.

[Jhoffa_]

"physiology.."

Yes, they are physically inferior to men, can bcome pregnant and 'drop out' of a war, adversely affect the decisions of the flight crew (Our EP3 crew claimed that was a factor in their decision to allow the plane to be taken apart by the Chi-coms as opposed o being ditched in the ocean.. "women on board") and heaven forbid they ever have to bail out of that plane or maintain it in the field..

Call it anything you want, but it looks more like affirmative action than superior "physiology" to me. Male "physiology" has served us well in combat for a long time now, no need to re-invent the wheel, imo.

Women have roles in war, but I don't think they belong anywhere near combat, regardless of how many times you watched "GI Jane"

[The Wizard]

Debka, right?

[wardaddy]

Don't waste your time. Being conservative on this forum these days means to many(most posting today) that we should applaud having women in combat.

If like me you oppose that for a myriad of reasons, then you are a neanderthal...or G-d forbid the new smear word...Paleo.

Women in combat is an indulgence....as one astute FReeper pointed out on another thread. An indulgence we can afford in a high tech overwhelming firepower superiority war like this one.

The culture warriors on this forum like myself are diminishing as a percentage. I fear it's simply the evolution of "conservatism" becoming more popular to those who have found they can't stomach the excesses of the left anymore or they are simply young conservatives more or less. They bring their PC indoctrination of the past 30 years with them. It's diluting but it's still better than if they hadn't seen the light at all.

[HairOfTheDog]

That's right. It has to do with smaller body mass, and distance from heart ot the brain, and also is a benefit that our muscles are less dense with higher fat content.

[annyokie]

To my knowledge, female pilots are trained for combat, but are normally used to participate in combat support roles.

No commander is knowingly going to put a female in a known Hot Zone, with good conscience.

Albiet, all things are subject to change.

[Jhoffa_]

If and when women are drafted, there will be hell to pay. A society that uses women in warfare would promote the butchering of tens of millions of unborn babies too I suppose.

Travis McGee made a good point about a country that sends it's next generation of mothers into combat not being worthy of survival.

Women don't like this fact and they seek to blame you for making it, like there's some problem with you for even suggesting it. It makes them very angry to even hear it spoken.

Truth is, if they want to be angry about it, they should go yell at God. He's the one who decided these things, We're just left to accomidate based on these decisions.

[Jhoffa_]

Don't waste your time.

You're right..

[wardaddy]

I could not agree more. I find it somewhat disturbing just how much support women in combat receives here...even though the path to that is littered with lowering standards to accomodate them from the academies to boot camp to carrier landing washout scores etc.

There was a time not long ago that one would have been hardpressed to find anyone calling themselves conservative who would endorse women in combat or on ships etc. Now they want submarines. Bush and Rummy have slowed their advance in this arena but they are still coming.

Nevertheless....any woman out there in harm's way saving our bacon has my prayers that she return home safe. Hopefully we can stem this social engineering down the road.

[TankerKC]

No commander is knowingly going to put a female in a known Hot Zone, with good conscience.

That's just not true.