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Has US Swallowed Turkish Suprise?
IOL ^ | 3-22-2003 | Orhan Coskun

Posted on 03/21/2003 4:17:25 PM PST by blam

Has US swallowed Turkish surprise?

March 22 2003 at 01:41AM

By Orhan Coskun

Ankara - Turkey said on Friday it had agreed to allow United States warplanes to overfly Turkish territory in attacks on Iraq, but rejected American demands it keep its troops out of the Kurdish-controlled north.

Parliament approved the overflights on Thursday as the US unleashed its attack on Iraq. But Ankara then linked use of airspace to free access for its troops to Iraq.

The United States, which sees an attack from the north as a way of relieving the burden on an invasion force now pressing northwards to Baghdad, said the two issues should not be linked.

By the end of a hard evening's bargaining by US officials in Ankara and telephone conversations between Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and US Secretary of State Colin Powell, the Americans appeared to have won only a partial victory.

"In the end it was determined the opening of airspace was in Turkey's interests," Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul said.

The opening of airspace would allow US warplanes to more easily launch raids on Iraqi installations, harry Iraqi troops, deploy special forces and seize oil fields.

Foreign Minister Abdulah Gul, however, announced later in the evening that Turkish troops would cross into Iraq to keep any refugees in camps on Iraqi territory and prevent them spilling over into Turkey.

He also said Turkey had suffered from the activity of Turkish Kurdish rebels based in the north since the region went beyond Baghdad's control after the 1991 Gulf War.

"Turkish troops will go. A vacuum was formed in northern Iraq and that vacuum became practically a camp for terrorist activity. This time we do not want such a vacuum," he said.

He did not say when Turkish troops might enter, but it seemed likely they would move quickly as the war unfolds.

In Washington, a US officials said in reaction to Gul's statement that the United States had not agreed to a Turkish move into northern Iraq.

"We know the Turks think that it's necessary to use the military to establish a humanitarian corridor in the north but frankly we don't agree," the Bush administration official, who asked not to be named, said.

"At this point we're still discussing with them, but we haven't agreed to and don't think the military is necessarily the way to do that, to take care of the humanitarian situation (in northern Iraq)," the official said.

Kurdish groups have said they will resist any Turkish invasion.

Washington fears a "war within a war" - clashes between Turkish troops and local Kurds and disruption of the US war campaign. Ankara sees the region as of vital strategic importance and seeks freer action beyond the US-led command.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was blunt in his advice to Turkey at a Pentagon briefing.

"We have special forces units connected to Kurdish forces in the north... and you can be certain that we have advised the Turkish government and the Turkish armed forces that it would be notably unhelpful if they went into the north in large numbers."

The dangers are clear for Washington if its troops drive up into the north, where important oil fields are located, and are confronted with Turkish forces outside coalition command.

Turkish troops have been present in northern Iraq in smaller numbers since the 1990s, operating against rebel Turkish Kurds who have retreated to mountains there from south-eastern Turkey. The troops have coexisted uneasily with Iraqi Kurdish groups who have governed the area since the 1991 Gulf war.

Eyewitnesses near the border said some 50 Turkish military vehicles, including at least two tanks, were waiting just on the Turkish side, ready to enter Iraq.

Turkey fears Iraqi Kurds may use the chaos of war to proclaim a state that could reignite separatism on Turkish soil.

"Turkey simply wants to have some control over events on its borders. Wouldn't any country want that in circumstances like this?" a Turkish official said.

Kurds, for their part, fear tens of thousands of Turkish troops could yet move to smother the autonomy they enjoy.

Friday's final agreement on overflights appeared to bring to the end a rather bleak chapter in the history of Turkish diplomacy. For months, Ankara has wrangled with its closest Nato ally, repeatedly pulling back from agreement as war approached.

The Justice and Development Party, in office for less than four months, has been pilloried in the media for "bungling" talks, souring relations with Washington and allowing a multi-billion dollar US financial package to slip away.

Parliament, reflecting perhaps public opposition to war, rejected three weeks ago a motion that would have allowed 62 000 US troops to enter Turkey for a land-based attack. Washington withdrew a $30-billion (about R252-billion) aid package.

Then came the finale late this week as even the extension of overflight rights seemed in doubt.

Markets have taken a drubbing as fears rise that the impact of war driving up interest rates could put in doubt servicing of a huge domestic debt and conduct of a $16-billion IMF-backed crisis programme. A Turkish intervention in Iraq could further disturb markets and put financial aid further from reach.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: suprise; swallowed; turkeytroops; turkish; us
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1 posted on 03/21/2003 4:17:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
That's like the Israelis getting involved in this war, the turks better stay out of it for their own good!
2 posted on 03/21/2003 4:19:10 PM PST by seeker41
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To: a_Turk
Ping.
3 posted on 03/21/2003 4:21:14 PM PST by blam
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To: seeker41
Brit was talking about this on his show.
There are already about 1900 Turkish troops in Northern Iraqi.
Very, very troublesome!
4 posted on 03/21/2003 4:22:51 PM PST by mickie
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To: mickie
Yes, it is a major problem and this could spread into a larger war if Turkey keeps moving into Northern Iraq. The Kurds have aligned themselves with us for this conflict.
5 posted on 03/21/2003 4:24:55 PM PST by seeker41
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To: blam
it was fairly obvious before, but it's very clear now with this apparent Turkish action, that NATO may be finished.
6 posted on 03/21/2003 4:25:40 PM PST by rimmont
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To: blam
It won't be long after we finish mopping up over there until Iran starts rattling their swords...
7 posted on 03/21/2003 4:28:16 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: blam
does this mean we will give turkey 24 billion dollars now?

Turkey rejects $24bn for okaying Iraq strikes


http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=3&click_id=3&art_id=qw1045755000992B262&set_id=1
8 posted on 03/21/2003 4:33:44 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: tubebender
As Mae West said after being kicked in the head while trying to milk cow, and landing under the udder plus four erect members she could see: "one at a time, boys, one at a time." Who wants to be next as we take it one at a time?
9 posted on 03/21/2003 4:34:35 PM PST by mathurine
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To: blam
This is simply a (waiting for a_Turk to show up) BUMP.
10 posted on 03/21/2003 4:36:28 PM PST by Gumption
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To: Gumption
He's on another thread......same subject.
11 posted on 03/21/2003 4:38:58 PM PST by mickie
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To: blam
If the US lets this happen, it will send a signal for every two-bit tribal grudge throughout Iraq.

That's why I'm leery of the US's statements to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis. Besides the Turkey situation, with all the Shias in Iraq, it gives Iran a wedge. And it the EU/UN socialists are clamoring to get a foothold.

Unless the US imposes a Japan-like post war constitution on Iraq, there could be trouble. I don't trust the Iraqis to self-determination quite yet.

I may be wasting my worry, but it's been on my mind for some time now.
12 posted on 03/21/2003 4:39:50 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: Gumption; Turk2
"This is simply a (waiting for a_Turk to show up) BUMP."

May as well get Turk2 over here also.

13 posted on 03/21/2003 4:39:50 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
One cannot blame the Turks for wishing to deal with the Kurds. A Kurdish autonomous region of any sort would mean much trouble for Turkey in the form of increased violence and terrorism.

The Turks may not be the finest folks in the world, but they have every reason to be actively looking out for their interests.

14 posted on 03/21/2003 4:43:04 PM PST by Cleburne
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"One cannot blame the Turks for wishing to deal with the Kurds. A Kurdish autonomous region of any sort would mean much trouble for Turkey in the form of increased violence and terrorism."

Not during our war!

15 posted on 03/21/2003 4:48:42 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Turkey is getting ready to royally screw the pooch--and toss a big wrench into our nicely humming along military operation.

Check out comments on these threads:

Powell: No quid pro quo with Turkey

Turkish troops move into north Iraq-military source

16 posted on 03/21/2003 4:49:01 PM PST by henbane
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To: Cleburne
they have every reason to look out for their interests

I agree. But, the question the Turks should be thinking long and hard about is whether such a move is really in their long term interest.

In the end they are going to have to beg us to prevent the creation of a new nation called Kurdistan.

So they would be wise to kiss and make up with us. Because, whether anyone likes it or not (and apparently nobody does) we are the only nation with the power to draw boundaries in the Middle East that will stick.

The Turkish public really really wishes that this was not the case, but wishing will not make it so.
17 posted on 03/21/2003 4:49:27 PM PST by cgbg (We will never forget, Tommy and Chirac. You chose sides--the wrong one.)
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To: henbane
"Check out comments on these threads:"

Thanks, I've been there already.

18 posted on 03/21/2003 4:53:48 PM PST by blam
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To: Cleburne
But it seems to me that confronting the Kurds would more assuredly rile Kurdish nationalistic tendencies just when the U.S.A. seemed to have convinced them to shift their long-term goals to attempting to exist in a democratic Iraq.

Turkey doing anything forceful in Iraq will only hurt their own self interests ... IMO.

19 posted on 03/21/2003 4:56:57 PM PST by Gumption
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To: blam
Muslims are known for their treachery, its a sacrament of their religion.

Funny how Turkey decides to invade its muzzlim neighbor at the first opportunity, wonder what the Arab league will have to say about that!.

The whole regions boundaries are constantly in flux and are artificial anyway, a carved up Iraq may well be the price of an American/Turkish alliance in the region.

God knows the Turks are better than the Saudis, that hornets nest of anti-western italian table cloth on the head wearing SOB's where 19 of the 21 9/11 hijackers came from.

Times are changing, and the USA will do what is in our national interest, as long as Republicans are in charge.

20 posted on 03/21/2003 5:02:35 PM PST by Rome2000
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