Such a shame is it not that Israelis don't agree to commit national suicide by unilaterally "giving" West Bank and Gaza to the Muslims. Surely this would lead to peace and cessation of Jihad! </sarcasm> And as far as the Christian mumbo jumbo in your post, Israel would not exist today if Jews had not been slaughtered and driven out of a Christian continent during WW2. And I think even you know this.
No ... I don't know that. (And I'd thank you to show some modicum of respect for my "Christian Mumbo Jumbo" as you set about defending the Jews on an "anti-semitism" thread.)
Many have argued that it's God's will that the UN and Britain were doing. In the grand scheme of things, if those two considerations are accepted reasons for the creation of Israel, Hitler's horrifying acts still would run a distant second to God's will in my book.
But you are not Jewish, are you? (Or Christian? I don't really know because it's never come up.)
Perhaps you discount God's will in the matter and believe the State of Israel simply was given to the Jews to help make up for the deaths and suffering of countless individuals during a war in which all sorts of folks -- including the mentally deficient, homosexual, Catholic and others were likewise targeted for concentration camps and "Good Deaths", if not also genocide.
It's not that I would discount this at all, Dennis. I understand the "guilt complex" was a factor where certain of those who had appeased Hitler and looked the other way both before and during the war where his efforts at redistributing and reducing entire populations was concerned.
I'm sure that was part of it. As were the intentions of those -- both communist and fascist -- who funded, organized and trained some of the terrorists involved in pressuring folks to "do the right thing" ... or "God's will" as it were.
My problem, of course, with the admixture is the way it makes it look as if God used the Holocaust of all things to effect Zion. This is absolutely unacceptable to me on purely theological as well as logical bases.
While I remain absolutely confident in God's ability to bring forth good from evil, it's likewise true that I believe He is the ONLY who can do so and I balk at the notion that it's the place of men to perform such alchemy in His name.
Given the utterly demonic way Jews have been targeted, slaughtered and hated subsequent to the creation of Israel ... something just doesn't add up, that's all. It's almost as if this Good Act has served to exacerbate and disseminate worldwide what once was the hatred of a madman and his bent regime.
Again, the fact that many key Jews involved on the terrorist end of the Zionist equation were connected so closely with both communists from the CCCP and fascists from Germany leaves me with the recurring nightmare that this was a two-fer trajectory by which they ensured a perpetuity of their hatred of the Jews AND managed to organize the radical arc of Islam the leninists had envisioned based primarily, if not solely, on the common threat and constant burr that was the newly-created State of Israel.
I can't help wondering, in other words.
As you may know, I'm perfectly acquainted with the efficacy of suffering. I'm not sure it counts as much, however, when you bring it upon yourself. There is a decided difference in Hitler's persecution and slaughter of innocents and acts of violence that, while absolutely evil and inexcusable, are themselves partly in retaliation for equally unjust actions.
Let me lay my cards on the table first: I am a believing, practicing and loyal Roman Catholic.
I also believe that the State of Israel is showing remarkable restraint toards the enemies that are trying to destroy it. I believe that the Palestinians have no legitimate grievances of any kind against either the State of Israel or against individual Jews. I believe that there should be no Palestinian state in the land of Israel.
But I take issue with the demonization of Christianity for two reasons: (1) it is grossly exaggerated and (2) it serves no tactical purpose.
The blood libel was invented as a slander against the Jews in ancient Egypt by the pagan priest Manetho before Christianity was ever heard of - and the blood libel exists nowhere in early Christian literature. It only became current in Europe after Europeans returned from the Crusades in the Middle East.
The Europe from which the Jews were driven was certainly not a Europe which still practiced Christianity as a daily faith - one-half of the voting population of 1930s Europe was affiliated with militant atheism of either the Communist, Syndicalist or Socialist variety.
Fascism was an openly pagan movement, with Mussolini calling for the restoration of the ancient Roman Empire and Hitler extolling the virtues of a nature religion reminiscent of the ancient Canaanites.
Did millions of Christians fail in their moral responsibilities toward their Jewish neighbors? Undoubtedly. My great uncle did not - he died at the Nazi camp in Gusen for hiding undesirables in his rectory.
But the fact today is clear: the vast majority of devout, practicing Christians support the State of Israel and the struggle of the Jewish people for self-determination.
Badmouthing Christians and Christianity serves absolutely no purpose.
This sounds like anti-Christian prejudice and venom - - which should be as impermissible as antisemitism. Do you know what was sung at the Atlantic Conference meeting of Churchill and Roosevelt, as they made their plans to counter the (anti-Christian) Hitler? "Onward Christian Soldiers" was the hymn that the assembled allied leaders sang. Normandy is covered with crosses - above the graves of Christian soldiers who died fighting Hitler's forces. If you mean to defame their faith, you should stop - because you're defaming those brave and good men. If you don't mean to do so, then you should be more careful with your words.
Blaming Christianity for Naziism is as vile as the antisemites who down the years have tried to blame Judaism for Bolshevism. I denounce those antisemites. If you want to be an effective spokesman against antisemitism, then you should stop cavalierly hurling statements that could be interpreted as anti-Christian.