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To: HumanaeVitae
How do you know that?

Because if there were sufficient demand for human sandwiches, there would be a successful black market in them. There isn't.

You guys believe that people are naturally good.

I already told you I don't believe that. Some people are good, some are bad. Because of bad people (those who initiate force and fraud) governments are created for the purpose of upholding individual rights. Also, bad people are 'darwinized' out of existence by their partaking in activities harmful to themselves, and then not being saved from the consequences of their actions by a socialist society.

Did you see that story from a month or so back

Yes.

For seven hundred years, millions of people watched other people get impaled, burned, chopped to pieces, mauled by lions, etc. for their own viewing pleasure.

Initiation of force. Libertarians would outlaw the Roman coluseum to unwilling participants. And somehow, I doubt there would be sufficient volunteers for it to continue otherwise.

Seven hundred years that went on until the Christians shut it down.

And after Christianity became the mainstream Roman religion, Roman Christians persecuted those who would not convert. Anyone can initiate force and violate rights, even Christians. All it takes is acceptance that the majority or the powerful can rightfully initiate force, and the disrespect for the rights of the individual to be left alone.

322 posted on 03/19/2003 12:12:43 PM PST by freeeee
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To: freeeee
You guys believe that people are naturally good.

You guys think that people are naturally bad? And that somehow they become good if they are elected?

Great stuff.

327 posted on 03/19/2003 12:14:47 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: freeeee
And somehow, I doubt there would be sufficient volunteers for it to continue otherwise.

Check your history...there were plenty of free men who competed in the Coliseum...

Here's another example. Recently, the SCOTUS ratified (in a mind-bogglingly dumb decision) virtual child pornography, on the rationale that no child is hurt in the creation of this "product". Ok...so here's another one for you libertarians.

Lets say I make a 16' by 20' billboard of the most revolting (simulated/legal--and I could prove it) child pornography that you've ever seen and then put it up in my front yard right in front of your house. It's on my property, and I'm not hurting anyone, and no one was hurt in the making of said pornography. So, would you allow this?

332 posted on 03/19/2003 12:17:28 PM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: freeeee
Why do you believe that some people are good and others bad
359 posted on 03/19/2003 12:29:51 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: freeeee
Why do you believe that some people are good and others bad?
360 posted on 03/19/2003 12:30:00 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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