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Democrats seek another Clinton
MSNBC ^ | Tom Curry

Posted on 03/16/2003 1:39:08 PM PST by McGruff

The activists who gathered at California's Democratic Party convention this weekend would like to see the 2004 election as Bush vs. Clinton. Not Sen. Hillary Clinton, but Bill Clinton. California Democrats are searching for the winning candidate and many say he should resemble the last Democratic president.

"I'VE REALLY GOT to tell you, I miss Bill Clinton," said Red Blum, a veteran Democratic operative from Fullerton, Calif. "He was a charming rascal, but he was intellectually curious -- he could talk all night about anything. He left us a big budget surplus. He had people in the Middle East talking to each other, they were making progress. It's all been abandoned since then." Asked what he is most looking for in the party's standard-bearer, Glenn Goldstein, a landscape architect from Brea, Calif., had a succinct answer: "Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was great for the country. I think Bill Clinton had the qualities that it took to ride above all the nonsense the press might have given him."

'THE CLINTON CHARISMA' Barbara Schraeger, a Sausalito Democrat who helped put together a fund-raiser Thursday night for Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, gave Kerry the ultimate compliment: "I think he's got the Clinton charisma. Bill Clinton had the ability to look you in the eye and you'd be the only one in the room that mattered. Kerry has that."

What some non-Democrats may forget about Clinton is that in the early stages of his presidential bid in 1991 he met personally with many of these Democratic fund-raisers and precinct organizers -- and they're still in awe of his personal magnetism and encyclopedic knowledge.

The Democrats have a field of nine to pick from, with others such as ex-senator Gary Hart and retired Gen. Wesley Clark poised to enter the fray.

At this stage, most California activists are undecided -- waiting for one of the hopefuls to show a charismatic spark. But among the rank and file, the great unifying emotion is pure contempt for President Bush.

Attending a gathering of Democratic activists in 2003 and listening to them assail George W. Bush is very much like attending a GOP activists' meeting in 1997 or 1998 and hearing their descriptions of Bill Clinton. In each case, the intensity of their disdain for the president is overpowering.

Along with that contempt goes a belief among attendees that Bush will be highly unpopular by the time voters go to the polls in November of 2004.

"He is obsessed" with Iraq, scoffed Blum. "The economy is in the tank, it's going deeper and he doesn't have a clue!"

Despite some anger at those Democratic contenders, such as Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, who voted for last October's resolution giving Bush authorization to use force against Iraq, "the party can unite on a candidate just because of who is the White House right now," said Tim Steed, chairman of the Orange County Young Democrats.

"I think George Bush is a uniter of all Democrats who just want to get him out. In his words, he is the 'unificator' of the Democratic Party because his ideology is so contrary to much what pretty much every Democrat believes in."

Steed is backing former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean but would be willing to settle for some other candidate in order to beat Bush. "It is a kind of a shame that you are going to choose the lesser of two evils, but the way George Bush is running the country, I would choose the lesser of two evils," he said.

SADDAM AS DISTRACTION If the weekend meeting here was any indication, Democrats harbor a deep suspicion of Bush's motives for leading the nation into a war with Iraq.

The convention crowd cheered Rev. Al Sharpton when he declared that Bush was "trying to take young people who you won't give public education at home and send them to Iraq."

Sharpton also charged that Bush was using Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden as the "bogyman" to scare Americans and distract attention from the economy.

John Burton, president pro tempore of the California state Senate, told convention delegates that although North Korea has nuclear weapons and Iraq may not, Bush is intent on attacking Iraq. Burton's explanation: "The only difference I can tell is oil. I guess it shows what you get when you have an oil man as president, an oil man as vice president and a national security advisor who sat on the board at Chevron."

Above all, California activists are searching for authenticity. They want someone who is not afraid to passionately declare Democratic ideology: gay rights, racial equality, abortion rights, closing the California coastline to oil drilling, and so on. Many say the party's leaders in 2000 and 2002 muted their true Democratic rhetoric and beliefs.

"Never again will the Democratic party go into an election without a Democratic message saying who we are, what we stand for, and what we will fight for," declared House minority leader Nancy Pelosi on Saturday to rousing cheers of the crowd.

It was an implicit criticism of former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, now a member of the pack of presidential contenders, who tried his hardest to make last year's elections a referendum on the economy but backed Bush on use of force in Iraq.

Meanwhile, Dean won a clamorous round of applause when he told the convention, "I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" -- implying that other Democratic leaders had drifted from the tradition of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson and the Kennedys.

Jo Anne Marquardt, a teacher from Sacramento, backed Green Party candidate Ralph Nader in 2000, but she was toting a big "Dean for President" sign at the Sacramento convention, supporting the former Vermont governor primarily because he is against the Iraq war.

"I don't follow politics that much," said Marquardt, "but I heard Howard Dean on NPR and it was like, 'Wow, he is saying what I want to hear.'"

DEAN TOO FAR LEFT? Some Democratic strategists worry that Dean, who signed a civil unions bills to legalize gay and lesbian couples in Vermont and who calls for universal federally-mandated health insurance, might not be able to win the general election.

"I do think he's going pretty far to the left, to be honest," said Garry South, the strategist who masterminded Gov. Gray Davis's re-election campaign last year.

But Dean's rousing speech to the convention on Saturday had delegates and political professionals buzzing with excitement.

Dennis Washburn, a city council member from Calabasas, Calif., said Democrats were looking for intense, foot-stomping rhetoric from their presidential candidate and Dean gave them a supersized serving of it.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


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To: wayoverontheright
"Never again will the Democratic party go into an election without a Democratic message saying who we are, what we stand for, and what we will fight for," declared House minority leader Nancy Pelosi on Saturday to rousing cheers of the crowd."

The problem is we know what you stand for and it is not aligned with our country's interests.
21 posted on 03/16/2003 2:07:17 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: MHGinTN
not to mention the crusty pantsuit waiting in the wings for the current crop of dem candidates to shoot their mouths off

I'm convinced that's exactly the plan. The dems are floating a jillion candidates for two reasons:
1. Each candidate gets face time, thus spreading their sleazy message and
2. At the convention, the jillion candidates will of course create a deadlock and,..drumroll...Hitlery will ride in on her white charger and reluctanty accept the nomination.

It's about as subtle as a high school skit and it's going to work.

22 posted on 03/16/2003 2:07:49 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: Sacajaweau
My, he's just a charming rascal, isn't he?
23 posted on 03/16/2003 2:10:34 PM PST by mikrofon (Lock 'n' Load & Rock 'n' Roll)
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To: mikrofon
"Democrats seek another Clinton"

They just have to go down the jail roster and find another RAPIST!

24 posted on 03/16/2003 2:14:15 PM PST by observer5
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To: PoisedWoman
"At the convention, the jillion candidates will of course create a deadlock and,..drumroll...Hitlery will ride in on under her white charger donkey and reluctanty accept demand the nomination."
25 posted on 03/16/2003 2:30:53 PM PST by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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To: PoisedWoman
I'd bet a year's income you're right.

We need to adduce some indicators of this, however. I would suggest:

1. Watch the Clintonoid media (e.g. NY Slimes) treatment of democrat front runners. They will be damned by faint praise or nailed for some hitherto unpublicized indiscretion (documented in Hillary Regina's FBI file copies).

2. Hillary will NOT initiate any gambit for a POTUS slot. She will wait and wait and wait...and settle for the VPOTUS position (if the draft Hillary movement cannot get her to the top of the ticket at the last minute). During the waiting she can talk out of both sides of her mouth on most issues and then side with the winner. She will not follow Pelosi off the left ledge of the political cliff. If Bush succeeds in Iraq, why, shucks....Hill was with him all the time...

3. The avalanche of puff pretty-in-pink pieces on this Saul Alinsky disciple from the nether regions will increase exponentially as the Dem convention approaches. I would like to have the time to do a media count of this phenomenon as a function of time.

4. If we could track it, the increase in the pre-positioning of Democrat assets for the most massive voter fraud in history should be observable.

In short, while I do not think H. Regina can win, I know she is running. She loathes the thought of 'wait-for-08.' What is distressing to me: a sizeable majority of the body politic in this fair republic is either ignorant of or indifferent to the Clinton crimes and Clinton intentions. Once the media begin the big push behind 'their candidate,' H. Regina plans to run as No. 1 or 2. The flood of 21st Century Goebbelized 'news' will sweep that majority along...and off the cliff. She is not to be taken lightly.
26 posted on 03/16/2003 2:30:56 PM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere)
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To: McGruff
My my my. The appearance of this article on MSNBC is mighty interesting, giving the timing of this MSNBClinton announcement!
27 posted on 03/16/2003 2:32:37 PM PST by Timesink (Even my MOM got a loan from Ditech!!!)
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To: McGruff
Klinton's gone. Deal with it. I'd like to see another Reagan. It isn't going to happen.
28 posted on 03/16/2003 2:33:33 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Don't tread on me")
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To: McGruff
I hope they find him, they'll never get elected dog catcher
29 posted on 03/16/2003 2:33:46 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of AmerICAIR)
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To: PoisedWoman
"2. At the convention, the jillion candidates will of course create a deadlock and,..drumroll...Hitlery will ride in on her white charger broomstick and reluctanty accept the nomination."
30 posted on 03/16/2003 2:35:09 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: McGruff
In a way, this does concern me. You wouldn't believe how many otherwise intelligent people I know (my boss for one) who talk about how great the markets were when x42 was in.

Never underestimate the ignorance of the sheeple, and that does concern me.

31 posted on 03/16/2003 2:37:05 PM PST by Marathoner
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To: Mustang
The Rats are seeking another clintoon???

Then Dubya' is a shoe in!

32 posted on 03/16/2003 2:40:34 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: McGruff
How 'bout that "Hustler" publisher. He fills a number of slots on their check off list.
33 posted on 03/16/2003 2:48:39 PM PST by UpToHere
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To: CGTRWK
Of course! Broomstick! With one of those little horse heads on it.
34 posted on 03/16/2003 2:55:10 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: McGruff
The stupid bastards ALREADY have their next "Clinton"...
AL SHARPTON....

Run Al, run....
Semper Fi
35 posted on 03/16/2003 3:03:07 PM PST by river rat (War works.....It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: McGruff
Democrats seek another Clinton

If you hurry, maybe you can catch him first.


36 posted on 03/16/2003 3:06:30 PM PST by geedee
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To: McGruff
The clintoids still have a fascination with their 'sink,' eh? Tell ya what. We'll swap you sink for the silverware.
37 posted on 03/16/2003 3:07:02 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
Ooops... should be,

We'll swap you the sink for the silverware.

38 posted on 03/16/2003 3:08:13 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: esopman
3. The avalanche of puff pretty-in-pink pieces on this Saul Alinsky disciple from the nether regions will increase exponentially as the Dem convention approaches.

Absolutely correct. Thousands of writer trolls are laboring on them from every angle and in every language for every type of media. They are already raining down upon us. I'm waiting for "The Woman From Hope" TV bio.

39 posted on 03/16/2003 3:12:57 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: Jim Noble
Bill Clinton had the ability to look you in the eye

bet ya a buck he couldn't tell you what color monica's eyes are...

40 posted on 03/16/2003 3:14:39 PM PST by LearnsFromMistakes
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