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George's big mistake was to listen to Tony
dailytelegraph.co.uk ^ | 16/03/2003 | Anne Applebaum

Posted on 03/15/2003 9:25:31 PM PST by Destro

George's big mistake was to listen to Tony

By Anne Applebaum

(Filed: 16/03/2003)

Practically nobody is willing to say it, so let us be as frank as possible: the decision to conduct the invasion of Iraq in consultation with the United Nations - a decision taken by President George W Bush partly to mollify his friend Tony Blair - has been utterly disastrous. Even if it proves possible to bribe Guinea and Angola and Chile into voting for a second UN resolution - even if the French, miraculously, change their minds about the whole thing tomorrow - the diplomatic events of the past week will go down in history as the most embarassing for the United States and Britain in a long time.

Despite cajoling and bribery and flattery, Colin Powell and Jack Straw have found it nearly impossible to persuade the UN Security Council of the necessity of deposing Saddam Hussein by military force. Even Mexico, a country dependent on American trade, has refused to go along easily. Even Mr Bush's new best friend, Vladimir Putin, doesn't seem interested in co-operating.

There are three explanations for the disaster, each propounded, to various degrees, by different factions here in Washington, and each with some merit. One of them, the "I-told-you-so" faction, argues that all of this was inevitable, and that the real mistake was to go through the UN at all.

Even last autumn, when the Security Council seemed prepared to accept the American request for a "last chance" round of weapons inspections in Iraq, some feared a trap. If the inspectors found weapons, that would prove that Saddam was co-operating. If the inspectors did not find weapons, that would prove he didn't have weapons. In the event, the opponents of an invasion have managed to cite both the paucity of weapons and Saddam's belated, reluctant destruction of a handful of rockets as reasons not to invade. The result: the inspections process itself became an excuse to oppose war, as many predicted it would.

Alternatively, blame can be (and is, rather loudly) laid upon Mr Bush. He is at fault, to begin with, for failing to consult America's allies until last autumn, when preparations for war were already under way. He is also to blame for hitching the UN process to the American military's timetable, which dictates a war in the spring and not in the summer. If it were not for that, the inspections could just continue for a few more months, until all of the members of the Security Council had been shamed into admitting that the process had degenerated into farce. There would then be no need for a second resolution, no reason for Mr Bush and Mr Blair to humiliate themselves begging the Security Council members for their support.

Finally, there is a good, and not entirely sarcastic, case for blaming the French president, Jacques Chirac. His vehement refusal to countenance any kind of war in Iraq seems to have taken even Colin Powell by surprise. Without France's loud opposition, and without President Chirac's claim that this is all about "American power", not about Iraq, it is hard to see how Guinea and Mexico would have had the nerve to stand up against the United States, and hard to see how this would have evolved into the diplomatic disaster that it has become.

But that is the past. In the present, the flawed UN process, Mr Bush's lackadaisical attitude to alliances and French obstructionism have brought us to an extremely odd moment in diplomatic history. Weirdly, the fate of Mr Bush, of Mr Blair, and possibly of the international system itself, at least the one we have known since 1945, are now dependent on the results of a war in an obscure patch of Middle Eastern desert.

If the war is a great victory, if it lasts just a few days, and if it results in a democratic Iraq, Mr Bush will get a chance of being re-elected, Mr Blair will be vindicated, France will be cowed. A new Nato will probably rise from the ashes, centred on the "new" Europe: America, Britain, Spain, eastern Europe. The UN Security Council could lose its role as a body which blesses American interventions. The ability of European states such as Britain and Spain to make their own foreign policy, outside the European Union, will be strengthened.

But the war does not have to be lost to produce quite a different result. If it lasts much longer than it is supposed to do, if it degenerates into civil war, if the fighting in Baghdad is bloody and chaotic and expensive, then the aftermath may look quite different. President Bush may be finished, along with Mr Blair and Nato. France and Germany will once again be the most important countries in the EU. The next US president will think twice before doing anything without UN approval, and the next British prime minister will think twice before involving himself in foreign adventures without the explicit permission of his European colleagues.

There is an analogy with Suez here, although it is not precise. If the lesson of Suez was that Britain can't do anything without America, the lesson of a botched war in Iraq will be that a British prime minister can no longer make foreign policy outside the confines of the EU or act in defiance of Germany and France. The stakes are high here, much higher than the mere political futures of Mr Bush and Mr Blair. It is disturbing to think how much damage Saddam's Iraq, even in defeat, might still be able to wreak.

Anne Applebaum is on the editorial board of the Washington Post


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: iraq
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To: WestTexasWend
The globalist butt-kissing fool Colin Powell...
101 posted on 03/15/2003 11:10:17 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: ApesForEvolution
The globalist butt-kissing fool Colin Powell...

Blair invented the concept.

102 posted on 03/15/2003 11:14:01 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: bart99
One wonders what Clinton, or Gore, would have done after 9/11.

From an alternate universe... AP--3/15/03.
President Gore announced today that Special Envoy George Mitchell would leave Monday for Islamabad where he will hold his 48th meeting with the Afghan Foreign Minister. "We have made good progress in our negotiations with the Afghan government on our request to extradite Osama Bin Laden, and will continue to exhaust all diplomatic means of resolving the crisis", Gore said. When asked if he was considering using force if this round of negotiations with the Taliban should fail, the President said, "Of course all options are on the table. Our patience is not unlimited."

Gore also said he plans on presenting the Kyoto Treaty to the Senate for approval next week. "Global warming is still the most serious threat facing America and mankind".

103 posted on 03/15/2003 11:15:00 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Question_Assumptions
Your 'thinking' is not based in fact. Powell and Rumsy are *FAR* from aiming towards the same goal. Powell is *ALL* about world government. Moreso than American security...heck, the two don't even TALK to each other!
104 posted on 03/15/2003 11:15:51 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: Destro
Exactly. The administration is split and powellsky has been the wedge...
105 posted on 03/15/2003 11:16:44 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: Jim Robinson
"The UN is hereby and forthwith totally irrelevant."

I sure hope you are correct. I have a hard time trusting the spinners, and their ignorant followers, though.

106 posted on 03/15/2003 11:19:16 PM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: Destro
Yes he did.
107 posted on 03/15/2003 11:24:09 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: Consort
Think we will fight Turks? Haven't they been told not to interfere? It should be made clear to both sides to STAY PUT or be in big trouble.
108 posted on 03/15/2003 11:28:54 PM PST by whadizit (A)
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To: Destro; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing
<< No more pep rallies, no more self delusions. We are Republicans and thus realists. The Bush administrations diplomatic efforts on gaining U.N. support (i.e. a U.N. fig leaf for war) have been a failure. That's what Bush gets for listening to a socialist scum like Blair who [Epitomises] ruined England, helped ruin the Balkans and now has ruined us. >>

Funny you should notice all of that.

I've been saying it all -- often in the face of concerted flaming of FR's resident predatory purveyer of pornography and the organized howls of his dissent-creating activist pack -- for more than a year.

One thing, though, we are not ruined. Our Beloved FRaternal Republic is not, Our Armed Forces are not, Our Party is not -- and Our Nation's President and Armed Forces Commander In Chief, George Walker Bush, is not!

But the scurrilousness, deception and duplicity of the KKKli'toon-cloned, owned, operated and controlled "leader" of the emasculated, feminized, homosexualized, squalidly-socialist shower that peoples the Belgium-based Neo-Soviet's satellite state -- also known as once-great Britain -- is revealed: -- both for all the world to see -- and; -- to incite, enrage and encourage his own kind -- the hyenas of his own party and of the larger British community -- to turn on him and devour him.

ADios, Phony Tony.
109 posted on 03/16/2003 1:58:50 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Brian Allen
I've not been a Tony Blair fan before the last 18 months or so. I don't think we would agree on a lot of things, otherwise. However, I commend him on his stand on the War on Terror.

Tony Blair has taken BIG heat in the UK for his staunch support of the U.S. in the War on Terror, especially on the latest rounds regarding the imminent Iraq War. He has remained resolute against the greatest political pressure imaginable. Even some in his own group have criticized him. His leadership in the Imminent Iraq War is to be lauded as a principled stand, imho . . .

Tony Blair: The price of my conviction

Excerpt:

But there are also consequences of 'stop the war'. There will be no march for the victims of Saddam, no protests about the thousands of children that die needlessly every year under his rule, no righteous anger over the torture chambers which if he is left in power, will remain in being.

I rejoice that we live in a country where peaceful protest is a natural part of our democratic process. But I ask the marchers to understand this.

I do not seek unpopularity as a badge of honour. But sometimes it is the price of leadership and the cost of conviction.

If there are 500,000 on the [Stop the War] march, that is still less than the number of people whose deaths Saddam has been responsible for. If there are one million, that is still less than the number of people who died in the wars he started.

So if the result of peace is Saddam staying in power, not disarmed, then I tell you there are consequences paid in blood for that decision too. But these victims will never be seen, never feature on our TV screens or inspire millions to take to the streets. But they will exist none the less.



President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair of England walk out to address the media in Cross Hall at the White House Nov. 7. "We've got no better friend in the world than Great Britain," said the President during his remarks. White House photo by Paul Morse.

Churchill's speech of yesteryear?

110 posted on 03/16/2003 4:38:30 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: Brian Allen
See Zee monkey

French Military Victories

Spot the Difference

Separated at birth/one and the same?


111 posted on 03/16/2003 4:40:21 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: Mihalis
"Colin Powell screwed up in 1992 by letting Saddam off the hook. And he screws up again."

Whether or not to go into bagdad and get sadam in the last gulf war was not colin powell's decision to make.

112 posted on 03/16/2003 5:00:45 AM PST by dagtaggart
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To: Destro
There's only one thing to say in response to all this....

THANKS GENERAL POWELL!!!!!

(you schmuck)

113 posted on 03/16/2003 5:04:03 AM PST by montag813
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To: whadizit
Yes, Powell has the onus for this mess
114 posted on 03/16/2003 5:07:45 AM PST by mel
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To: Mark Hamilton
"Bushs real mistake was in listening to Colin Powell and the state department"

I am glad that GW has men around him with differing views, and listens to them all before making his final judgement. All smart and successful presidents have done this. I do not think going to the UN will end up being a bad thing at the end of the day. I disagree with the writer that this has been a failed diplomacy attempt by the UK and USA. France, Germany, and most importantly, the UN, are the ones that stand to lose respect around the world.

115 posted on 03/16/2003 5:10:25 AM PST by dagtaggart
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To: Destro
Dubya's big mistake was listening to Colon Bowel.
116 posted on 03/16/2003 5:22:53 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: bart99
Hi there! I haven't heard anything about thoseships in a while. My assumption is that it was either a rumor, or that the ships have been located and are being tracked. In the latter case, I will assume that they will be either boarded or sunk once hostilities commence.
117 posted on 03/16/2003 5:24:46 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MeeknMing; Destro; JohnHuang2
You and I and few others -- I observe and am pleased and proud to say -- seem to operate from the same core beliefs and fundamental honesty and are in agreement on pretty much all of the issues that matter.

But, while I will agree that Blair has -- in the context of his relationship with Our Beloved FRaternal Republic and with President Bush -- appeared to be saying all of the "right" things, it has been clear also that he has been saying other "right" things to the many "wrong" and Evil groups with whom he is more at home -- and with whom he "needs" KKKli'ton-like, to retain his "political viability."

These include but are not limited to: the UN; the EU, the British Labour Party and even the Sin Fein/IRA. [Whose bank-robbing and drug and gun-running mass-murderers Blair still cravenly and shamelessly appeases]

And -- at the potential cost of the lives of more brave Americans, Australians, [Who already, with their New Zealand/ANZAC comrades, know a little about the mortal danger of having the bloody British at their rear!] Israelis and Iraqis than I would care to predict -- when it came right down to the crunch the Clinton-cloned Blair's devious duplicity has come home to rest and he has proved his own and the British Nation's real, 2003, worth. Just as, more than one year ago, I predicted that he and it would.

Best ones -- Brian
118 posted on 03/16/2003 5:37:36 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Brian Allen
He will commit his military to fight the war against Saddam, the same as President Bush.

I'm not familiar with the cronies and company that Blair keeps so I can't address that. But he seems to me to be taking a principled stand on the war. Wouldn't it be so much easier for him to succumb to the pressure from those in his political realm? Why would he risk his political life for such an antipodal and unpopular stance? That's not how clintoon did things (take a poll, lick finger and test which way the political wind was blowing). Not for the fun of it, I'm sure. Or maybe I'm just a little naive . . .

119 posted on 03/16/2003 6:00:08 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: Destro
the diplomatic events of the past week will go down in history as the most embarassing for the United States and Britain in a long time.

How is the churlish behavior of France and Germany embarrassing for the US and UK? It seems more like a diplomatic victory to me, since the UN has proven itself to be totally ineffective.

120 posted on 03/16/2003 6:46:40 AM PST by Teacher317
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