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Mexico fears backlash from vote on Iraq
SignOnSanDiego.com ^ | March 15, 2003 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 03/15/2003 8:13:34 PM PST by MoscowMike

By Jerry Kammer COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

March 15, 2003

WASHINGTON – As Mexico faces up to heavy U.S. pressure to vote its way in the Iraq crisis, it also confronts the possibility of a widespread U.S. backlash.

"If the perception of the average American is that his neighbor abandoned him at this crucial time, the stigma would last for generations and be made manifest in a multitude of individual actions," Mexican analyst and historian Enrique Krauze warned this month in a Mexico City newspaper.

Krauze cited danger of commercial boycotts, restrictions on trade and widespread resentment at the White House, in local and state governments and in the U.S. press. He fretted that Mexicans living in the United States might suffer "discrimination, persecutions, etc."

Krauze's pessimism is widely shared by Mexican diplomats here, some of whom acknowledge that they are praying that the U.S. resolution that would authorize a possible war with Iraq will never come to a vote. Indications are that Mexican President Vicente Fox, facing overwhelming public opposition to the war, would invoke Mexico's tradition of nonintervention and either vote "no" or abstain. Either way, he would antagonize the White House.

Mexico's ambassador to the United States was active this week trying to head off the sort of hostility that is pestering France, featuring boycotts on cheese, mocking jokes and bitter commentary on French diplomacy and French character. Juan José Bremer urged U.S. appreciation for "the remarkable progress" Washington and Mexico City have achieved in managing what he called "the most intense bilateral relationship in the world."

President Bush increased that intensity last week in statements that provoked alarm in Mexico, where they made front-page news. While Bush said he did not expect "significant retribution from the government" against Security Council member nations that didn't line up with the United States, he pointedly left open the possibility of a popular backlash.

The president's comments caused consternation among Mexican-Americans, who longed for the pre-Sept. 11 era when Bush and Fox were "the two amigos" pledging unflagging friendship and celebrating the increasing economic and cultural integration of their two countries. They also spoke optimistically about the prospects for an immigration deal that would legalize the status of millions of Mexicans living illegally in the United States.

But in the tensions of the post-Sept. 11 era, that coziness has been dissipated.

Antonia Hernández, president of the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, said this week that Bush's March 3 remarks, which came in an interview with reporters from Copley News Service and other news organizations, would encourage anti-Mexican sentiment.

Mexico expert Robert Pastor said his recent appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor" TV show on the Fox network convinced him that there is real danger of an anti-Mexican backlash.

"He just leveled into Mexico," Pastor said of the show's host, Bill O'Reilly. "I can assure you that these things resonate out there," he said.

Peter H. Smith, professor of political science at the University of California San Diego, said Bush's comments were widely perceived in Mexico as a threat and may have eliminated any possibility that Fox would line up with the United States at the United Nations.

"The costs to Fox of taking the U.S. side would be very high, higher than they would have been if they hadn't received those threats," Smith said. He said Fox could not afford to be perceived as submitting to pressure from an American president.

Moreover, said Smith, the concession Fox most wants from the United States – an immigration deal – is out of the question. "We simply cannot do to that in the post 9/11 environment," said Smith, adding that heightened security concerns make it politically impossible to agree to a deal that would be seen as a loosening of the border.

Harvard professor and Latin American scholar John Coatsworth said Mexican fears of a widespread backlash are exaggerated. "Mexico has yet to recognize that it has immense strength in the relationship with the United States that it has not yet begun to exploit," Coatsworth said.


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To: B Knotts
I agree with a total boycott on all products NOT made in the U.S. and agree with all of you that support such actions.

Don't expect a mass deportation of illegal aliens, though.

WHO WILL PICK OUR FRUIT, LETTUCE, ETC. ETC. ETC.?
61 posted on 03/15/2003 10:03:00 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: FITZ
Bush is dependent on them. He will kiss any butt needed to be loved by Mexicans. I wish he cared about that part of the Constitution dealing with borders.
62 posted on 03/15/2003 10:03:18 PM PST by KickRightRudder
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To: panaxanax
How about the same people who picked it before they came? We could end welfare and let everyone get to work.
63 posted on 03/15/2003 10:07:05 PM PST by FITZ
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To: cajungirl; 68skylark
Cajuns are French, aren't they?
64 posted on 03/15/2003 10:09:45 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: MoscowMike
According to the most recent census over 50% of newborn babies in California are mexican. Only 30% are white. That means within 20-30 years, California will be North Mexico. How to lose your nation in 5 easy steps. Welcome to the new method of conquest, demographic warfare.
65 posted on 03/15/2003 10:10:12 PM PST by Godel
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To: Pushi
Most illegal Mexicans care only about themselves. They don't care about the US because it is merely an economic flophouse for most. In the olden days, people came to America (legally) to become Americans and adopt our culture as their own. Now they bawl and bring Mexico here. "Jorge" Bush, our president, will do anything to help them-even at our expense. That's the sad truth.
66 posted on 03/15/2003 10:10:53 PM PST by KickRightRudder
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To: Paleo Conservative
Right. We can make them with moonshine.
67 posted on 03/15/2003 10:12:17 PM PST by dalebert
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To: cajungirl
Pardon me but I am laboring under guilt for refusing to burn my mephistos and pour out my expensive french shampoo.

Don't get rid of French stuff you already purchased. It won't hurt them at all. In fact, they won't even be aware of it. I have a few cases of French wine that I fully intend to drink. I just won't ever buy any more of it. Pouring it down the drain is an interesting symbolic gesture, and makes for some good publicity if you happen to own a restaurant, but the only one harmed by doing so is the pourer.

68 posted on 03/15/2003 10:13:39 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: MoscowMike
If the perception of the average American is that his neighbor abandoned him at this crucial time, the stigma would last for generations and be made manifest in a multitude of individual actions,

Well then .. do the right thing or end up like France

69 posted on 03/15/2003 10:14:55 PM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: MoscowMike
He fretted that Mexicans living in the United States might suffer "discrimination, persecutions, etc."

Yes we will hopefully prosecute Mexicans who are residing here illegally.

70 posted on 03/15/2003 10:17:51 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: x1stcav
Apropos of nothing, the Margarita was an American inspiration.

But it uses Mexican tequila.

71 posted on 03/15/2003 10:22:13 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (This space left intentionally blank.)
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To: FITZ
Wishful thinking FITZ.

I managed a 100+ acre apple orchard in WA state and hired between 28-35 "pickers" every fall during harvest. The only ones that stayed on and worked were the Mexicans.

The "Americans" would work a few days, get a draw on their wages and be gone. Sad, but true. Ask any orchardist.

We never had any problems in getting them to work. They would be in the orchard before dawn and I'd have to force them out after dark.

In a perfect world, your idea would be considered valid, however it just ain't so.
72 posted on 03/15/2003 10:30:32 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: MoscowMike
"The costs to Fox of taking the U.S. side would be very high"

Let us hope that the cost of taking the anti-U.S. side is detrimental to Fox and Mexico for the next score decades to come, and then some more. This may be the best wake-up call Americans not along the southern border will ever receive.
73 posted on 03/15/2003 10:33:40 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Godel
According to the most recent census over 50% of newborn babies in California are mexican. Only 30% are white

Actually 50% of newborns are Hispanic (Hispanics are considered "white"), 30% are non white and 20% are non Hispanic whites.

Your point is otherwise well taken because 80% of the Hispanics currently living in California are a direct result of unregulated immigration since 1945.

Today interstate immigration is about balanced in California. That means that about as many people are leaving California for others states as are entering California from other states. That also indicates that the population increases in California are principally due to unregulated immigration.

74 posted on 03/15/2003 10:34:57 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: panaxanax
But do you think no apples got picked before illegal aliens started coming around? There were virtually no Mexican citizens living in the US 40 years ago ---how did we manage to eat back then?
75 posted on 03/15/2003 10:40:27 PM PST by FITZ
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To: B Knotts
I expect this during his second term...
76 posted on 03/15/2003 10:43:51 PM PST by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: panaxanax
Anyhow if welfare were actually ended, there would be more than enough low-skilled labor in this country. Plus we have so many youths in prison, if there was no welfare and enough low-skilled jobs, many of them wouldn't be there.
77 posted on 03/15/2003 10:44:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: MoscowMike
Wow. You nailed it! As if most of us weren't up to our elbows in mexican alligators, this seals the deal...
78 posted on 03/15/2003 10:49:31 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: cajungirl
We have to limit our major boycotts to one country at a time.

I respectfully disagree. Boycott as many as necessary. Yes, the list is getting long, but you know, it is not as hard as you think.

When it comes to countries, they need us more than we need them. Most product can be bought from someone else, although some products (like cars) have materials from numerous countries. Does make it a bit tricky.

Boycotting certain hollywood types, certain singing groups, certain newspapers, certain news organizations, certain countries, etc. etc. It is NECESSARY! I just wish we could boycott some of that oversease so-called humanitarian aid.

Time for the USA, the sleeping giant, to show the rest of the world just how important we really are and that most Americans are not the pansy a## cowards that are shown on television.

79 posted on 03/15/2003 10:53:27 PM PST by technomage
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To: FITZ
"But do you think no apples got picked before illegal aliens started coming around?"

The orchards were much smaller and family owned, not corporations, like they are now. The schools would (and still do) close if there is not enough of a migrant labor force to pick the fruit. We had many students pick apples during years that INS was doing there job. My kids included.

Believe me, I do know what I am talking about on this subject.

Wouldn't it be nice to end welfare? My dream would come true, but long term welfare recipiants would only turn to a life of crime instead of working. Picking apples is damn hard work and there is a certain skill involved.

Any WA state freeper orchard owners out there to back me on this one?
80 posted on 03/15/2003 10:57:26 PM PST by panaxanax
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