You are a lying fraud. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.
"Paine's ideal" as you put it is in the nature of "if all men were angels". It is meant to lead to his point, that since all men cannot ever be disarmed, good men MUST remain armed. You are twisting his words 180* from his meaning. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.
Now, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TACKLE #307, YOU GUTLESS FRAUD?
Pitchfork ignores the nature of man only as it applies to his enlightened crowd. He's one of those that promotes the idea that there are people that can make socialism work. What he ignores is that it takes a force of arms to do that, because only his crowd will be interested in their selfish little plan. Only his crew should be allowed to ahve arms, because after all they aren't the least bit honest in their dealings with others. The truth eludes them and they deny it when it presents itself.