[spunkets]

""Paine's ideal" as you put it is in the nature of "if all men were angels"."

Pitchfork ignores the nature of man only as it applies to his enlightened crowd. He's one of those that promotes the idea that there are people that can make socialism work. What he ignores is that it takes a force of arms to do that, because only his crowd will be interested in their selfish little plan. Only his crew should be allowed to ahve arms, because after all they aren't the least bit honest in their dealings with others. The truth eludes them and they deny it when it presents itself.

[dirtboy]

What he ignores is that it takes a force of arms to do that, because only his crowd will be interested in their selfish little plan.

Yep, the problem with equality is that no one wants to be equal. That's why equality of opportunity is possible under law, but equality of condition requires force...

[Travis McGee]

His hero V. I. Lenin knew all about this when he marched into the Russian Duma with the Latvian Rifles.

The more things change...