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According to AP, the report seized included "included copies and photos of dozens of pieces of evidence gathered in the terrorism cases of Abdul Hakim Murad and Ramzi Yousef, including batteries, explosive devices, bomb fragments, a copy of a Time magazine, cell phones, and phone books."

1 posted on 03/14/2003 7:57:18 AM PST by JohnBerger
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..."contained sensitive information that should not be made public." ...

Yeah, there's something terribly wrong about the public knowing the truth. At least in the minds of beauracrats.
2 posted on 03/14/2003 8:00:37 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Truth? You can't handle the truth!)
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"I told you to get a TIMER! Not Time! No virgins for you."
3 posted on 03/14/2003 8:02:26 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: JohnBerger
No, we all know that the culprits of the OKC bombing were Rush Limbaugh and White Males who wear camouflage and own guns.
4 posted on 03/14/2003 8:02:36 AM PST by Guillermo (Sic 'Em)
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To: JohnBerger
That was CLINTON'S FBI that did this dirty deed!
6 posted on 03/14/2003 8:03:50 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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Ping!
7 posted on 03/14/2003 8:04:06 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Let's get on with it already!)
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Why can't the truth get the light of day? This is serious stuff.
10 posted on 03/14/2003 8:07:03 AM PST by mict42
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Hmmmmm....
11 posted on 03/14/2003 8:07:56 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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Well McVey and Nichols may have been the whole operation.
But since McVey's attorney (Stephen Jones?) and Federal Court Judge Maitsch (sp?) thought
they must have had help...
well, I won't be suprised if we find out there was more than just McVey and Nichols
in the creation of the OKC bombing tragedy...

OH, Go OU Sooner Basketballers in the Big 12 tourney (and I give "fall-back" support to the
OSU Cowboys).
12 posted on 03/14/2003 8:08:27 AM PST by VOA
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Pinging Honway & OKCsubmariner!!!

Just yesterday I noted to Grampa Dave that they left OKC out of that beautiful timeline/scenario of a look back at World War III!!!

15 posted on 03/14/2003 8:10:22 AM PST by SierraWasp (I am witholding my tagline till the war begins and ends with an unmistakeable conclusion!!!)
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This article should interest you.
18 posted on 03/14/2003 8:15:02 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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suddenly bump
20 posted on 03/14/2003 8:19:53 AM PST by RaceBannon
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No freedom of the press there.
26 posted on 03/14/2003 8:40:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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The FBI had penetrated the organizations that were involved in the OKC bombing. In fact Ambrose Evans-Pritchard suggests that there was nobody involved in blowing up the building who wasn't a double agent or an FBI informer.

For this reason, clinton and others knew about the bombing before it happened. Either the FBI deliberately let it happen, or a plan to stop it at the last minute was screwed up.

The same FBI higher-ups who enabled the OKC bombing are still in place, or have been promoted for their good work in this and other cases such as Ruby Ridge and TWA 800.

Just last fall, Mueller gave a medal to the FBI legal adviser who blocked the investigation of Moussaiou's (sp) computer.

Yes, there is a tendency for presidents to protect the office, and therefore their predecessors. The real smoking gun in the Pentagon Papers was the fact that JFK ordered the assassination of our ally, Ngo Din Diem. Not only was this a moral disaster, it was also the chief mistake that lost us the war. This little factoid was buried in the full version published by the NY Times, although needless to say the press has never called much attention to it.

Even if they decide never to let these conspiracies see the light of day, the least Bush can do is to get rid of Mueller and the whole clintonoid coven in the FBI that he is protecting. Otherwise we'll have more of the same down the road: more OKCs, more Wacos, more Ruby Ridges. And less real protection from the enemies of our country.
27 posted on 03/14/2003 8:47:08 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Abstract above is from http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com

Are you the same "John Berger" (with e-mail address "john@fuckedworld.com") listed at the bottom of these websites:

http://www.fuckedworld.com/johndoe2.shtml
http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com/

28 posted on 03/14/2003 8:49:01 AM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: JohnBerger; _Jim
Ummm, exactly how did the FBI know what the contents were, and how did they get in place to intercept the package?

The highly unlikely story from the article: The Customs Service said its agents opened the package from Manila after selecting it for routine inspection when it arrived at a Federal Express hub in Indianapolis. Agents did not open an identical package addressed to the AP's United Nations office.
Both packages contained an FBI laboratory report on materials seized from a Filipino apartment rented by convicted terrorist Ramzi Yousef. The reporters were working on a research project that resulted in stories published last month about the government's concerns before April 19, 1995, that white supremacists might bomb a federal building.
"The job of Customs is to intercept smuggled contraband and collect import duties," said Tomlin, who is an attorney. "Customs has no authority to seize private correspondence where there's no suspicion it contains contraband. There certainly wasn't any such suspicion here."

So, _Jim, what gives them the right to go through our mail? Isn't that a federal crime when done by anyone else?

40 posted on 03/14/2003 9:16:44 AM PST by Teacher317
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Bump for later.
45 posted on 03/14/2003 9:24:36 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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An Essay on Hypocrisy
By Timothy McVeigh
Reprinted with permission from Media Bypass. Parthenocarpy is interested in any existing or future rebuttals of this essay.
Please contact us here to contribute.


Media Bypass / Alternative Media, Inc. Editor's note: Timothy McVeigh, sentenced to death for his role in the April 19, 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City, penned the following essay, dated "March 1998," from his cell in the administrative maximum section of the federal prison in Florence, Colo. In a preface, McVeigh wrote "I have chosen Media Bypass as a possible forum for this piece because, frankly, I realize that it is quite provocative -- and I rather doubt that any mainstream media would touch it. [Note that although the enclosed is very provocative, it was written to provoke thought -- and was not written with malevolent intent.]"

McVeigh appologized for the essay being handwritten, but noted his "current (unique) environment does not provide access to a typewriter, a word processor or a copier. (hell, I'm lucky they let me have a pen!), so I hope you understand why this is being submitted handwritten -- and I hope you can overcome this shortcoming."

McVeigh, whose interview with Media Bypass [February 1996] was picked up and dissected by the New York Times and major media outlets across the nation, also expressed concerns that reporting subsequent to this essay might be "printed out of context... but at least the original can be accurate."

A decorated U.S. Army veteran of the Persian Gulf War, McVeigh hereby offers his contribution to the debate over U.S. policy toward Iraq, a policy that McVeigh says is marked by a "deep hypocrisy."


The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.

Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.Sl is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterence) -- with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."

Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones-- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?

The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.

Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that.

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and mens rea [criminal intent] in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians?

Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.

In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.

What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?

I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma."

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign tartgets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivilent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone:
"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Sincerely


Timothy J. McVeigh

Copyright (c) 1998, Media Bypass / Alternative Media, Inc.


50 posted on 03/14/2003 9:32:24 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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bttt
51 posted on 03/14/2003 9:37:25 AM PST by TigersEye (Let the liberals whine - it's what they do.)
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"When the full stories of these two incidents (1993 WTC Center bombing and 1995 Oklahoma City bombing) are finally told, those who permitted the investigations to stop short will owe big explanations to these two brave women (Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie and journalist Jayna Davis). And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude."

R. James Woolsey (Director of the CIA, 1993-5)
The Iraq Connection
Wall Street Journal, September 5, 2002


52 posted on 03/14/2003 9:38:04 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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Much of Mohammed’s family heard the call. His eldest brother, Zahid, was regional manager for a Kuwaiti charity, the Committee for Islamic Appeal, based in Peshawar. Two other brothers, Abed and Aref, volunteered to fight the Soviets and both would die. His sister’s son, Ramzi Yousef, visited in 1988 from college in Britain, and returned permanently in 1991. Mohammed was inevitably drawn to the struggle and took a job teaching at a school founded by an Afghan warlord called the University of Dawa al Jihad, translated as Convert and Struggle.
64 posted on 03/14/2003 9:52:24 AM PST by kcvl
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