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To: SJackson
I don't think Russert's question was out of bounds - Israel is an important player in this drama and it is as important to be informed about Israel's role as it is to be about, say, Turkey's.

Moran was deliberately playing to conspiracy theorists while Russert was speaking from the vantage of cynical Realpolitik.

Rather than searching for anti-Semitism under every rock, people should focus on clearly anti-Semitic incidents like Moran's little Nuremberg speech and the "Divest From Israel" campaign on campus.

3 posted on 03/13/2003 5:07:35 AM PST by wideawake (You'd better look out for me - I'm a member of the F.V.K.)
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To: wideawake
The full excerpt. Perle clearly was more upset with the accusation that the war was for oil.

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MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the president of the United States would risk the lives of American men and women for oil?

REP. KUCINICH: I think that to answer that question would be to put a focus on a person, and I think the policy is what we have to talk about, that this policy to go against Iraq was promulgated even before 9/11, and the day after 9/11, the secretary of Defense in a meeting of the National Security Council said we could use this moment to go after Iraq, even though there was no connection. I think that when a president commits the young men and women of this country to battle, that it should only be when there is an imminent threat to this country, and that—I believe most sincerely that one of the motivating factors involved in this effort to strike against Iraq is the desire on the part of some to be able to control the oil interests in Iraq. I believe that.

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Perle, there’s been discussion about the role of Israel and the formulation of American foreign policy regarding Iraq. Let me show you an article from The Washington Times, written by Arnold DeBorograf: “The strategic objective is the antithesis of Middle Eastern stability. The destabilization of ‘despotic regimes’ comes next. In the Arab bowling alley, one ball aimed at Saddam is designed to achieve a 10-strike that would discombobulate authoritarian and/or despotic regimes in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Emirates and sheikhdoms. The ultimate phase would see Israel surrounded by democratic regimes that would provide 5 million Israelis—soon to be surrounded by 300 million Arabs—with peace and security for at least a generation. ...The roots of the overall strategy can be traced to a paper published in 1996 by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, an Israeli think tank. the document was titled ‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Security the Realm.’ ...Israel, according to the 1996 paper, would ‘shape its strategic environment,’ beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein... ...Prominent American opinion-makers who are now senior members of the Bush administration participated in the discussions and the drafting that led to this 1996 blueprint.”

Can you assure American viewers across our country that we’re in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?

MR. PERLE: Well, first of all, the answer is absolutely yes. Those of us who believe that we should take this action if Saddam doesn’t disarm—and I doubt that he’s going to—believe it’s in the best interests of the United States. I don’t see what would be wrong with surrounding Israel with democracies; indeed, if the whole world were democratic, we’d live in a much safer international security system because democracies do not wage aggressive wars.

But please allow me to say: I find the accusation that this administration has embarked upon this policy for oil to be an outrageous, scurrilous charge for which, when you asked for the evidence, you will note there was none. There was simply the suggestion that, because there is oil in the ground and some administration officials have had connections with the oil industry in the past, therefore, it is the policy of the United States to take control of Iraqi oil. It is a lie, Congressman. It is an out and out lie. And I’m sorry to see you give credence to it.

13 posted on 03/13/2003 5:35:06 AM PST by SJackson
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To: wideawake
It was out of bounds. It asks if we're in this for our own security interests or because of an Israeli agenda.

It clearly plants the idea that Jews behind the scenes drive U.S. foreign policy. It is reprehensible.
23 posted on 03/13/2003 5:44:59 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: wideawake
Well put.

Rather than searching for anti-Semitism under every rock

Unfortunatly it is getting to the point where you don't have to look real hard to find it.
At one time not to long ago I thought that anti-Semitism in this country was all but dead, sad to say I was wrong.
32 posted on 03/13/2003 6:27:54 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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