New strategies for Gulf War II: Generals devise ways Iraqis can surrender, spare infrastructure

SF Chronicle ^ | 3-11-03 | Michael R. Gordon, New York Times

[Oldeconomybuyer]

Camp Doha, Kuwait -- American and British commanders say that they are devising a strategy intended to defeat the Iraqi military without completely destroying it, and to limit damage to Iraq's infrastructure.

Lt. Gen. David McKiernan, the commander of land forces if the United States leads an invasion of Iraq, said he and other commanders were devising procedures for Iraqi units to signal their intention to stay out of the war.

[Tom Bombadil]

But you have to understand that you are out of this, and you are part of the new Iraq.

An interesting way of handling an enemy. Vichy France comes to mind.

The Iraqi military must have vivid memories of the last time.

[ChemistCat]

I don't think this has ever been done before.

I'm trying hard to convince a couple of liberal friends that we're not going in ready to roast and eat Iraqi babies. Maybe it'll be our generals and troops who really do the convincing.

[Coop]

Ask your friends how they feel about the Iraqi babies and mothers Saddam Hussein gassed.

[trebb]

Another example of American ingenuity and "stratergy". My guess is that it will prove pretty viable and reduce casualties on both sides (especially since some of the Iraqi Army has tried to jump the gun and surrender early).

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

capitulate and take care of their own troops in something other than a prisoner of war camp," Conway said. "That makes it easier on them and makes it easier on us. We can say: ' . . . [Go along and get along], and you are part of the new Iraq.' "

"Be reasonable--do it MY way!

[Poohbah]

some of the Iraqi Army has tried to jump the gun and surrender early

Their biggest allies are the French...what do you expect? :o)

[Free the USA]

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[hchutch]

Thankfully, they seem to be following the yellow-streak example of Frank Jack Fletcher. Hard part's gonna be Baghdad (Tikrit gets the Sir Arthur Harris treatment, as little reminder to Kim Jong-Il what will happen if he decides to use that artillery he has targeted on Seoul), but if the script kiddies and crackers react as I think they will to the FBI's warning about hacktivism, then Baghdad might not be so hard after all - I doubt the Republican Guard will fight too hard if their paychecks bounce.

[ChemistCat]

I can't convince them that SH has done things like that--they see it as propaganda. They answer the question with a question--why haven't we gone after Saudi Arabia, why haven't we gone after North Korea...blah blah blah. They are GOOD PEOPLE but on this they are completely blind.

They say we're going to leave ourselves open to terrorism if we attack SH. I say that indicates that there is indeed a link between SH and the terrorists. They say the whole Arab world will rise up against us--I tell them that OPEC stands willing to supply our oil needs for the war. I ask them whom we were bombing September 10, 2001, that made us deserve 9/11. What it really comes down to is, we're evil for supporting Israel. :SIGH:

If the Palestinians ever get a real state it will be because we supported THEM. We have restrained Israel time and time again. But none of the liberals gets that.

[Protagoras]

Their biggest allies are the French...what do you expect? :o)

[Grampa Dave]

To those overly concerned about the vote in the UN. Just relax.

If the French/German/Russian/Whores veto or say no, GW just states that the UN has made itself irrelevant. Later he announces that Operation Freedom for the Iraqis is on.

If they vote yes, he does the same thing that the war has started.

It doesn't matter we started the war about two weeks ago.

We are running 500 to 800 sorties each day over Iraq. Our specops, the UKS and the Aussies are on the sands of Iraq.

The Marines are running people and equipment through the cut fence on the DMZ in Kuwait. We have had bases with the Turks in N. Iraq for about a year.


French Diplomacy Is A Lilliputian Nuisance
By GEORGE F. WILL

March 10 2003

The war against Iraq has begun - much as America's war against Nazi Germany really began months before Pearl Harbor and Hitler's Dec. 11 declaration of war on America. It began when President Roosevelt ordered aggressive patrolling by the U.S. Navy against German submarines in the North Atlantic.

The Second Gulf War was underway weeks ago, with special operations forces in Iraq and U.S. and U.K. aircraft expanding their target lists in the name of enforcing no-fly zones. Soon the bow wave created by the movement of the great ship America into full-scale war will wash away Lilliputian nuisances, such as French diplomacy.

Excerpted. For Will's full article: http://www.ctnow.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-will0310.artmar10,0,7204557.story?coll=hc%2Dheadlines%2Doped

[hchutch]

I'm not convinced the Russians will veto.

My money is still on an abstention. Putin has said no veto, I don't know WTF Ivanov's up to.

[Grampa Dave]

It doesn't matter.

If the resolution is vetoed, GW will come on the TV and announce that he gave the UN all this time to do their job. Since they didn't, the war is on.

If they approve the resolution, GW will come on TV and say that now that the UN has approved the War, the war is on.

GW wants an official body count of who is with us, and who is against us re the nations in the Security Council. The vote will show this. That is what he is waiting for.

In the meantime the war has been started and will continue.

[Coop]

They answer the question with a question

The standard response of one who has no real answer (a.k.a. a liberal).

why haven't we gone after Saudi Arabia, why haven't we gone after North Korea...blah blah blah.

Tell them we're going in priority order, and Iraq has a twelve-year head start of violating truces, 17 UNSC resolutions, attempted assassination of a U.S. President, and involvement in the first World Trade Center bombing.

After all that your "friends" will probably huff, call you a warmonger, and stomp off.

If they are still around, ask them where they were when the Impeached Rapist was doing the Serbia thing to distract everyone from his impeachment.