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To: jimt
I'm opposed to making sexual reproduction itself a crime. I'd make the criminal aspect focus on the care of the kids. There should be minimum standards for care and support of kids. If the parents can't or won't meet those standards, they could be prosecuted for that, but not for making more kids.

In the case of the woman you mentioned with 8 kids, all being neglected, I would ask, why does society assume SHE and she alone is solely responsible for their care and support? I would file child negligence charges at the very least against her AND fathers of these kids. Apart from everything else amiss in your scenario, the de facto assumption that these kids are the sole responsibility of the mother has got to change. This assumption, in and of itself, is immoral, unjust and unfair ... to the woman and and to the children. IMO parents (both of them) have OBLIGATIONS to their kids. Not meeting these obligations should be legally actionable, for both parents, not just one. And I'm not just talking about sending a check. IMO a parent is obligated to the child in many ways, not just monetary support.

I agree it is awful negligent parents can continue to create more children. But the legal focus should be on meeting a standard of care and support, not whether they do or don't procreate. If we go down that road, criminalizing procreation, we're basically opening the door to mandated abortion and mandated sterilization which in the long run will hurt our entire system and everyone in it. We can't allow relatively few people to alter our Constitution.

But we can criminalize parental negligence without harming our Constitution.

I'm not opposed to paying people to be sterilized. The government in India is doing this with much success. We could either do it by government or by private means. But people aren't going to do this, paid or not, unless we get serious about making them meet their obligations to their offspring.
40 posted on 03/14/2003 11:15:40 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
In the case of the woman you mentioned with 8 kids, all being neglected, I would ask, why does society assume SHE and she alone is solely responsible for their care and support? I would file child negligence charges at the very least against her AND fathers of these kids.

In this case it's like this - you and I are bank robbers. We run into the bank masked, blow away a few bystanders and bank folks, and run out the door. I get away, you get captured.

Who gets villified in the press?

You do. You're visible, and you're caught. The fact that I'm equally guilty means nothing.

Similarly, this woman is visible. So is her filthy, neglected child with an IQ of 25.

Regardless of the obvious fact that there's a male involved in this travesty, this woman is caught and visible. And she does it over and over and over and over...

There has to be a penalty. I'm all for busting her male accomplices as well. But the fact that they "got away" doesn't escuse her. She's still guilty of aggression against society by having her bastards. Strip them from her and put her in jail where she can't reproduce any more, I say. If we don't, she'll do it again as sure as God made males who act irresponsibly.

Put her male accomplices in jail too, you say? Heck yes, I'm all for it.

41 posted on 03/14/2003 11:44:10 AM PST by jimt
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