Partial Birth Abortion-live thread at senate

www.cspan.org ^ | 3/10/03 | VRWC_minion

[VRWC_minion]

I was surprised to see debate occuring on senate floor regarding partial birth abortion.

[PatrickHenry]

I suspect that if this bill passes, the SCOTUS will find a way to declare it unconstitutional too.

It's hard to predict these things. I see the proposed law as little more than a federal law against murder. Clearly a state function. Therefore (if I were ruling on it) it's an unConstitutional power grab by Congress. I've always seen abortion as a state issue.

[TLBSHOW]

Tribute to the Risk Takers

God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly


Since the start of this country there have been risk takers. Some you know of others you don't, but they all took a risk to make America great.

Last Saturday morning one risk taker a freeper named Leadpenny woke early that day and being a fan of the space program decided to start a thread at FreeRepublic to alert fellow freepers that the Space Shuttle Columbia was on it's way home from a journey to space.

The crew of that shuttle had finished a 16 day journey to the heavens. Now on their way home with mixed feelings of having to leave their place in the sky. They had dreams of this journey that was about to end, many from their youth, others from duty to try and make the world a better place. They are the risk takers, strapping into a rocket ship and being blasted into space is no small thing. As Jules Verne dreamed of and wrote of two centuries before.

One can imagine the thoughts these seven people had as they were on their way home. Thoughts of moms and dads wife's and children and all the adventures they would tell them of their journey into space.

In risk comes danger and these fine men and women we're not coming home that day, instead they had another journey to go on. In the finale moments of their lives which we will never know their thoughts, we can imagine as we on earth watched for them to arrive.

Leedpenny's journey was to take a different course that day as her thread would mark a time in history of the risk takers. As the shuttle made re-entry into earth as we know it something went wrong unknown to us back home the brave space travelers were not coming home. As their amazing journey across America was marked forever in time at that thread others were filming it, watching and talking of it as they streaked across a dark early morning sky.

At 9:03 in Las Vegas a freeper put his footprint in history with his thoughts of what was seen. Little did he know that moments later over the clear morning sky of Texas the risk takers would start one last journey as angels trending upward dare to fly. God speed to those that didn't have that reunion with family and children, friends and fellow risk takers or those words spoken of love to the country they had seen from 1000's of miles above. They didn't have to because everyone already knew of their love of country and fellow man through the risk they took. The words of love was written forever in their hearts and ours.

For they in an instant saw God.

[mdittmar]

The sad part is we're all going to have to answer to God one day for this.

"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign."
Mother Teresa (Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94)

[MHGinTN]

In case there are readers unfamiliar with the vagaries of this heinous killing method:

The 'procedure' takes days to accomplish because the serial killer places a seaweed coil in the woman's cervix (the exit/entrance sphincter of the uterus) that gradually swells to open the cervix. When dilation of the cervical opening is sufficient (not an easily predictable process, varying from individual to individual), the serial killer punctures the placental sac and turns the alive infant for a breech presentation (feet first), pulling the infant from the woman's body until only the head is lodged inside her body. The rest is well illustrated by jwalsh07, so I won't recount it.

Suffice it to say, this two or three day 'go home and wait' portion of the methodology is rife for complications endangering the woman's life (premature delivery, massive bleeding, infection, etcetera), so the characterizations by the lying, dissembling Boxer and Murray (so far, but Durbin and Lautenberg, et al will step up to spin their version of the lies tomorrow) that this is a necessary safe procedure to be available for 'physicians' to use is absurd on the face of it. I was breathless at the outright mischaracterizations made by those two female democrat senators (perhaps lies is more appropriate than mischaracterizations), as they stood on the floor of my United States Senate to defend the indefensible infanticide they seek to protect! Ghouls, that's what they are, masquerading as human beings. Boxer had the astonishing bravado to assert that she stood to defend infanticide 'as an advocate for children'!

[Askel5]

Well thanks, Todd. A nice tribute to the flight team ... all of whom indeed were risk-takers not only for their tenure in the space program and our nation's Air Force but also for the gumption to go into space with Israel's first astronaut on the eve of regime-change in the Mideast as part of our continuing War on Terror. I don't know if I could have done it ... no matter how confident I was in my training, experience or equipment.

We had a pilot crash into a couple houses day before yesterday. Thankfully, neither he nor anyone in the homes was hurt. Same can't be said for the husband of a woman I met recently who was killed while training last year and left her and their two kids behind.

We owe a lot to the folks willing to put their lives on the line ... most of whose deaths have nowhere near the recognition of those whose flights are more glamorous than others.

I guess it was just the "angels trending upwards" that threw me. I take "angels" more literally than most and was curious about the trending part.

[the Deejay]

Thing is, Boxer and her ilk would laugh at Mother Teresa and then spit in her eye. (It's the votes at election time that count.)

A Repulican in the senate, and on the floor of the senate, should repeat Mother Teresa's words verbatim, about 200 times for a start.

[TWRepublican]

God help this country if we cannot at the least (for now) take away this gruesome procedure. What kind of people have we become? 40 million and counting. SHAME!

[TLBSHOW]

when we do away with Abortion period, is the time to celebrate.....

this is the start!

[EODGUY]

"Senator Feingold: ". . . That is a question that should be answered by a doctor, and by the woman who receives the advice from the doctor." Mr. Will also noted that Senator Frank Lautenberg was asked the same question and gave basically the same answer. Will goes on, "That is clear enough: neither Feingold nor Lautenberg would say `no' to treating the killing of a newborn baby as a mere `choice.'"

I wish this inane comment would ruin Feingold's career, but there are so many pro-infanticide people in Wisconsin, it's won't. How can a person make such a comment about a living human being?

In my mind, Mr. Feingold is treating this recently born child the same way Hitler treated members of Feingold's ethnic ancestors.......in the most de-humanizing, disgusting, cruel, abominable way possible.

[supercat]

This is the trouble with pretending -- as do many libertarians, unfortunately -- that everything's a matter of "Privacy" or "Free Speech".

In many states, ambushing and shooting a criminal who is vandalizing your property in the night time would be considered Murder in the First Degree. In Texas, such a shooting would likely be ruled justifiable. I have never heard any argument made successfully (or even raised) that such disparity denies Texas criminals equal protection under law as compared with, e.g., Massachusetts criminals.

Since different states have very broad authority to set their own rules about when homicide is permissible, I fail to see why such authority would not extend to prenatal homicide.

[diamond6]

"If the woman's life is in danger", would a partial birth abortion be deemed ok to perform if this is signed into law? And if it is, won't they all claim the mother's life is in endanger, thus making the law useless?

[friendly]

I wish this inane comment would ruin Feingold's career, but there are so many pro-infanticide people in Wisconsin, it's won't. How can a person make such a comment about a living human being?

In my mind, Mr. Feingold is treating this recently born child the same way Hitler treated members of Feingold's ethnic ancestors.......in the most de-humanizing, disgusting, cruel, abominable way possible.

Democrats are inhuman monsters, an utterly evil political entity that also stands for treason-for-sale, complusive dishonesty, bribery, massive voter fraud, as well as exploitation and complete degradation of the poor they lie to care so much about. They exist only for lust for power.

[MHGinTN]

You raise a very important point, my friend. So why is Roe still in effect? The answer is the nature of the beast know euphemistically as 'activist judicial intervention'. Roe was tantamount to the SCOTUS making law, not interpreting the constitutionality of a state law. That has caused more than 40,000,000 Americans to not be a part of this society. Can we conclude that judicial activism is wrong for the Republic. You and I can, but the leftist societal engineers shrug it off as 'necessary change' from a 'living document'. They will be the ruin of this Republic if their efforts continue as the main focus of the despotic democrat party. The activist efforts by the Fla SCOTUS to control the presidential election of 2000 for their chosen goron party should tell us something dangerous is afoot in democrat methodology, but it hasn't gotten throught to most Americans yet, and probably never will. At least this is a law coming from the legislature not the activist court. New Jersey's activist court and the Toricelli/Lautenberg flaunt is another case in point of democrat methodology.

[EODGUY]

I hope you don't mind, but I'm changing the definition of democrat currently in my dictionary to yours......it's much more accurate!

EODGUY

[firewalk]

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[SpinyNorman]

They all look good after 2 am.

Okay. I challenge you to look at Rosa DeLauro (D-CT), at any time of day or night, with a full stomach, and keep that meal down.

The possible sight of her unclothed is more than industrial strength Viagra could overcome. That woman lives under a bridge and snatches children to eat.

And then there is Hillary........

[friendly]

Just remember: When looking for the new Nazis and/or Stalinists, you will find them in the evil democrat party.

[MHGinTN]

Ping to supercat's posting and my response.

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[Psalm 73]

Please, don't discount the power of prayer.
While the Senate debates, we must PRAY, and "Pray unceasingly" (2 Thess. 5:17)

[Mudboy Slim]

Go fer it, Pubbies!!! This is good legislation that America Shall Support!!

Let the PRO-Death DemonRAT Party ROT...MUD