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Waiting for bombs in Baghdad (Peace activist diaries Plus human shield poll to Freep)
Beliefnet ^ | March 10, 2003 | Various peaceniks

Posted on 03/10/2003 9:44:27 AM PST by jwalburg

We have 'crash kits' with us at all times with enough survival gear for a week.

Christian Peacemaker Teams, a program of Brethren, Quaker and Mennonite Churches, has posted volunteers in Iraq since Oct 25, 2002. More recently, additional delegations have gone to Iraq to educate the public and "get in the way" of potential military attacks. This is a diary by American and Canadian volunteers who are now in Iraq. The second entry is from Cliff Kindy of North Manchester, Ind.

Thursday, March 6

by Cliff Kindy

More than 120 Human Shields have gathered from 34 countries to be a witness against the escalating war against Iraq. Their incentive came from the horror experienced by US veteran Ken O’Keefe in the 1991 Gulf War. They are a dedicated, creative lot of peacemakers.

Cliff Kindy in Iraq Media and war advocates have denigrated the term “human shields” by focusing on times governments have forced persons to go to vulnerable sites, often military, as a barrier to an attack. Forgotten in this mindset is the mother who shields her child from an attacker or a friend who offers his life to save another. This present-day experiment is an offspring of the action of the mother and friend. This experiment in peacemaking was complicated as the volunteers accepted the room and board hospitality of the Iraqi government. The site selection committee of the Human Shields had been visiting sites (water treatment, electrical generation, food storage, oil refinery, and hospitals) to check out living facilities, neighborhood connections, communication capabilities, and compromising factors such as nearby military encampments. Problems escalated as the government tried to push the presence of Shields at certain sites.

The initial response was to pull back even those Human Shields who had gone out to form a united response. Some chose to leave; others wanted to maintain the commitment to the Iraqi people and to work out some compromise to continue what was trusted to be a nonviolent barrier to U.S. attacks on facilities that sustain the civilian infrastructure in Iraq. The dialogue continues in its stumbling fashion.

In mid-February two members of the Iraq Peacemaker Team and one from Christian Peacemaker Teams joined a Human Shield witness at the Ameriyah Shelter as a silent, prayerful protest of that 1991 U.S. bombing of a civilian bomb shelter in a family neighborhood of Baghdad that resulted in 407 deaths. A major U.S. media presence treated that witness kindly. Since last October, IPT/CPT has been visiting similar sites (along with families, churches and universities) to remind the US government that they promised not to target such sites. Banners reminded the military that to target such sites is a war crime.

IPT/CPT continues visiting these sites and is preparing to be a presence should the war escalate. IPT/CPT deaths would be a grim reminder that war usually targets the places where civilians are the ones that die.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baghdad; bombs; diaries; diary; humanshield; peace
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Poll on page: What do you think of peace advocates staying in Iraq now? Hate it is slightly ahead of love it at this point.
1 posted on 03/10/2003 9:44:27 AM PST by jwalburg
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To: jwalburg
If these idiots are still there when The Bravest In The World (America's troops) come marching down the streets of Baghdad, they'll never need ex-lax again!!!!!!
2 posted on 03/10/2003 9:51:19 AM PST by Highest Authority
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To: jwalburg
They should stay only if they wear a tracker, so we can be sure to hit them
3 posted on 03/10/2003 9:51:23 AM PST by sticker
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To: jwalburg
Poll Here it is
4 posted on 03/10/2003 9:54:36 AM PST by jwalburg (Will renewed fears of nuclear winter cancel out global warming?)
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To: jwalburg
Hard to know what way to vote in that poll. I hope they stay in Iraq and have the bejaysis blown out of them, the useless idiots.
5 posted on 03/10/2003 9:57:29 AM PST by Happygal
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To: jwalburg
the mother who shields her child from an attacker or a friend who offers his life to save another.

Yes, in a way they are like the mother who shields her child from a friend who offers his life to save another.

6 posted on 03/10/2003 10:01:01 AM PST by jwalburg (Will renewed fears of nuclear winter cancel out global warming?)
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To: Highest Authority
(America's troops) come marching down the streets of Baghdad

That will not happen.

Sodamn Insane will launch on Israel.
Israel will respond.

Our troops will have stayed a safe distance from where Baghdad had been.

7 posted on 03/10/2003 10:05:07 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: ASA Vet
Interesting. Israel didn't do much in the first Gulf war. Why do you think they will be more involved this time?
8 posted on 03/10/2003 10:09:04 AM PST by jwalburg (Will renewed fears of nuclear winter cancel out global warming?)
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To: jwalburg
From page 3:

It [Baghdad] was such a loving, peaceful place that I am sure if George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were forced to spend an hour each day at it, they would start thinking peaceful thoughts.

Oh, brother.

9 posted on 03/10/2003 10:10:36 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: jwalburg
In GW I Sodamn Insane didn't order bio or chem warheads be used.
If he had Israel would have taken out Baghdad.

This time he will order the use of his bad stuff.
He won't be in Baghdad when it disappears.

10 posted on 03/10/2003 10:16:01 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: Highest Authority
I went over there, voted aginst the Human Shield, and looked around the site.

These people seem to be honest, but maybe a little 'confused' as to what the Cristian religion teaches. I always thought that SUICIDE was a sin. Being crucified for your beliefs in God is not suicide, but defending a murderer by standing in front of his armory just seems, to me, the height of STUPIDITY!

They do have a feedback area.
11 posted on 03/10/2003 10:34:18 AM PST by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: jwalburg
What do you think of peace advocates staying in Iraq now?
Love it.
33%
Hate it.
48%
Don't know.
18%

12 posted on 03/10/2003 10:38:49 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
Yup. Poll bears evidence of Freeping.
13 posted on 03/10/2003 10:54:41 AM PST by SquirrelKing (Someassemblyrequired,allowsixtoeightweeksfordelivery,Taglinenotincluded...)
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To: ASA Vet
He won't be in Baghdad when it disappears.

Don't you think the Israelis know the location of every one of his palaces? They can take out the palaces with the same precision as they took out the nuclear reactor in '81.

14 posted on 03/10/2003 11:00:53 AM PST by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Yes, they and we know where those fixed buildings are.
I doubt Sodamn Insane would hid in any of them,
as he knows they are easy targets.
15 posted on 03/10/2003 11:04:49 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: SquirrelKing
I voted love it. Couldn't find any place to put my condition however. Love it if they stay there for good.
16 posted on 03/10/2003 11:06:56 AM PST by WVNan
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To: ASA Vet
Where do you think he will go, and how do you think he will get there without being discovered by our intelligence?
17 posted on 03/10/2003 11:10:18 AM PST by jwalburg (Will renewed fears of nuclear winter cancel out global warming?)
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To: WVNan
"Couldn't find any place to put my condition however."

Kinda, sort of, one of them there "Derned if ya do, Derned if ya don't" sutuwmations.

18 posted on 03/10/2003 11:18:58 AM PST by SquirrelKing (Someassemblyrequired,allowsixtoeightweeksfordelivery,Taglinenotincluded...)
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To: jwalburg
I don't think he can go anywhere without our knowing.
19 posted on 03/10/2003 11:19:09 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: jwalburg
It (Bagdad)was such a loving, peaceful place that I am sure if George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were forced to spend an hour each day at it, they would start thinking peaceful thoughts.

You'd think these peacemakers had stumbled upon Nirvana, or Heaven.

An interesting thing to note, beside the weirdness of this whole statement, was his using the word "forced" in relation to peaceful. Does force bring peace?

20 posted on 03/10/2003 11:35:37 AM PST by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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