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To: OrioleFan
Though the truth is generally not welcome, the second document isn't worth the recycled toilet paper it was written on.

Congress can not deligate the "declaration of war" authority to the Executive branch by legislative fiat or via treaty. All laws and treaties are subject to the scrutiny of the Constitution, or there would be no need for Constitutional Protections becuase they can be defeated by a foreign treaty...

Yes I am for the ousting of Saddam...Am I convinced that it is the job of the US military...not yet mostly because I haven't seen any real evidence that they are a direct threat the United States. Do I believe that American Citizens can go and join in a revolution in Iraq, or provide money and guns/weapons...absolutely.

I am not willing to give into political presure and make an "end justifies the means" decision. This mentality is how we ended up giving Iraq Biological and Chemical weapons to use, and then when they are no longer beneficial to the government (not the people of America), then they are the enemy.

Of course personally, I am a whole lot more concerned about the so called USA PATRIOT ACT, Homeland Security Act, and the currently named USA PATRIOT ACT 2 than I am Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden
6 posted on 03/09/2003 7:41:19 AM PST by borntodiefree
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To: borntodiefree
I'm guessing that why this was written into [H.J. Res. 114]

(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS.—

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION.—Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

7 posted on 03/09/2003 8:08:14 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: borntodiefree
With your attitude, Britain, France or the Concentration Camps never would have been liberated.

If you don't think that Saddam is a threat to this country, why support his romoval?

What you need to realize is that he does have weapons of mass destruction and that he would have no qualms about giving them to our other enemies, who would then in turn use them on us.

And would you please care to share how the USA PATRIOT ACT, Homeland Security Act, and the currently named USA PATRIOT ACT 2 have specifically affected you? Please provide us with a list of how they have caused your life to change or be harmed?

9 posted on 03/09/2003 9:46:28 AM PST by mass55th
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To: borntodiefree
Congress can not deligate the "declaration of war" authority to the Executive branch by legislative fiat or via treaty.

What is "legislative fiat"? "Fiat" is not used that way; this is practically an oxymoron. Do you mean by act of Congress (i.e. legislation)? Uh, Congress most certainly can delegate to the President the authority for military action by passing legislation. In fact that is their Constitutional function, and that is precisely what they did, as the original poster has documented.

Of course personally, I am a whole lot more concerned about the so called USA PATRIOT ACT, Homeland Security Act, and the currently named USA PATRIOT ACT 2 than I am Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden

Of course you are.

27 posted on 03/09/2003 4:49:39 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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