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To: William Terrell
I think we agree,...and I've learned a bit through the thread.

Jesus Christ gave His life, not taken by any other,...He had the Law written on His heart, so He was aware of the situation, but focused on obedience to the Father, was Man and God, as displayed in th sense of "Why hath Thou foresaken me!

Issue of Jews or Gentiles being responsible for the death is a bit moot with respect to the emphasis of His plan and His action, His Sacrifice, His glory, His obedience, and fulfillment of Scripture.

I suspect there is some rich aspects of the sceario related to the behavior of the Jews at the time so I don't discard that bit of history entirely. I suspect it might offer another approach towards acknowledging the position of Christ interlinked in Prophecy.

155 posted on 03/09/2003 3:16:58 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
Right. I don't think Jesus was anything close to what we think of as a "victim".

156 posted on 03/09/2003 5:43:49 AM PST by William Terrell (People can exist without governments - governments can't exist without people.)
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To: Cvengr
Judas Iscariot the Jewish betrayer of the Christ, fulfilled a prophetic purpose,too. His end is carefully revealed to us by Divine direction. (Matthew 27:3-10)

Incidentally, according to the Law they said they served the Jewish leadership was prohibited from having such a trial by night. It was only one of the first of THEIR laws which they broke in the entire affair.

I cannot help remembering 2 Samuel 24 when King David (as leader) numbered the people of both Israel AND Judah against the advise of Joab and the military leaders the wrath of G_d was expressed. G_d did not kill David.....
but subjects of the King until David intervened. In view of this and other illustrations in the Word I suspect one cannot certainly know what course the Father may have taken in the case of the murder of His innocent Son.

That the exchange of His blood was freely given to atone for my death deserving sin is certain, however. That only that blood can redeem is just as sure and that it is an unmerited gift is absolute.

In whatever languages, I pray that Gibson is empowered to portray it with unmistakable, unescapable, impacting reality. We all need to be confronted with that kind of truth whether we like it or not.
157 posted on 03/09/2003 6:29:37 AM PST by Spirited
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