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To: SCDogPapa
I have been called on nothing and could care less if you think that is the case. Your side's case is built on falsehoods, distortions and misinformation. Truth is simple in this case.

Nothing in the constitution (the Law of the Land) allows a state to secede. The actions of the States which tried were all illegal. States had NO power to do that. Only a constitutional amendment could have changed the Union in such a manner and no one tried to do it legally.

Even the idiot leaders of the Cornfederacy knew this and included the right to secede in their "Constitution." The dumbasses in New England who wanted to use Burr to secede were just as wrong. It cost Hamilton his life to keep the Union together as he caused Burr to be defeated as Governor of NY. He had planned to use that position to split the Union with NY joining NE. That was the reason he challenged H. to the duel. Secession was a bad, illegal concept in 1800, 1861 and forever more.

I never justshutupandtakeit when falsehoods are being dispensed.
52 posted on 03/06/2003 12:54:36 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit ( Its time to trap some RATS)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; stainlessbanner; 4ConservativeJustices; Pern; thatdewd; GOPcapitalist
"I have been called on nothing and could care less if you think that is the case."

Oh yes you were,, on your definition of treason.

"Nothing in the constitution (the Law of the Land) allows a state to secede."

There is nothing in it to prevent it either.

"Even the idiot leaders of the Cornfederacy knew this and included the right to secede in their "Constitution."

The the problem with the US Constitution, was it spoke not of it.

55 posted on 03/07/2003 4:59:29 AM PST by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Nothing in the constitution (the Law of the Land) allows a state to secede.

Wrong. Read the 10th Amendment. That which was not delegated to the federal government, nor prohibited to the states, remains with the states. If you disagree, please cite section and clause of either case.

The actions of the States which tried were all illegal.

Wrong. The Full Faith & Credit clause requires the federal government to recognize state acts.

Even the idiot leaders of the Cornfederacy knew this and included the right to secede in their "Constitution."

LOL - they did? Please cite section and clause, and which crystal ball you're using, because I've never seen it in the Confederate Constitution

The dumbasses in New England who wanted to use Burr to secede were just as wrong.

Your opinion. No one waged war on them to prevent any of their threatened secessions, or told them they couldn't secede.

Secession was a bad, illegal concept in 1800, 1861 and forever more.

Nonsense. The mere threat of secession could in many cases rein in the federal juggernaut.

I never justshutupandtakeit when falsehoods are being dispensed.

Neither do I, as you can tell. And I don't even wear a cape.

57 posted on 03/07/2003 5:52:07 AM PST by 4CJ ('No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.' - Alexander Hamilton)
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