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Turkey gives Europe a lesson in democracy
The Independent ^ | 3/4/2003 | Mary Dejevsky

Posted on 03/04/2003 12:51:37 PM PST by a_Turk

In rejecting US requests, Ankara has demonstrated its identity and democratic credentials

Among the more tiresome fixtures of US-European exchanges over the past decade have been the perennial requests from Washington to speed up Turkey's admission to the European Union. Whenever a minister or official travels one way or another, you can guarantee that the European representative is read a lecture about the urgent need to anchor Turkey in Europe. Sometimes, the Americans even say "please".

Their argument is that Turkey, with its large and youthful population, its secular constitution, its crucial geo-strategic position and its impeccable record of loyalty to the North Atlantic alliance, deserves its place in Europe. The US fear, usually left unspoken, is that if Turkey is not accommodated, and fast, there is a risk that it will ditch its secularism and fall into the Islamic camp.

The inescapable reality until very recently, however, was that Turkey fell very short of meeting even the most elementary criteria for membership of the European Union. It still had the death penalty; its court system was highly suspect; its prison and punishment system even more so; and the weakness of its democracy gave the generals a whip hand, even when the appearance of civilian government was maintained. Looming over everything was the philosophical question of Turkey's identity: is Turkey essentially European or Asiatic, and where should the EU's border run?

My view tended to be that Turkey was forever condemned to be a border state straddling two worlds, belonging fully to neither. European identity is one of those things that are hard to pin down; you just know it when you see it. Lithuania, Slovenia, yes; Bulgaria – maybe; but Turkey – no. For all the shocked condemnation his words elicited back in November, I doubt that I was alone in quietly agreeing with Valéry Giscard d'Estaing when he said that Turkey had "a different culture, a different approach, a different way of life" and that Turkey's accession would spell the end of the EU.

Even with the recent constitutional changes, including abolition of the death penalty, and last year's satisfactorily democratic election, it seemed to me that Turkey was not EU material and would not be for a very long time, if ever. The European Union, I felt, had to set its border posts somewhere, and the Bosphorus was as natural a dividing line as any.

The Turkish parliament's vote on Saturday has changed my mind. In rejecting a string of US requests to station troops in Turkey for deployment against Iraq, Ankara demonstrated its sense of national identity and its democratic credentials. In voting as it did, Turkey's parliament has done more than any institution in any other country to force a re-think in Washington, at least of means, if not of ends. And even if Turkey's parliament reverses its vote today – or sees it overridden on economic or strategic grounds – that will not alter two striking facts. On Saturday, Turkey's parliament showed itself, perhaps for the first time, prepared to resist the will of its transatlantic patron. It also showed itself more in harmony with popular sentiment across Europe than with Washington's war plans.

A host of reasons, by no means all of them admirable, can be advanced to explain the Turkish parliament's defiance. Ankara may have been playing for more time or more money. Perhaps it did not trust US undertakings that it would preserve Iraq's territorial integrity (and so rule out the formation of a separate Kurdish state). Turkey's new members of parliament may have been flexing their muscles in anticipation of a subsequent retreat. Or perhaps the Islamic element in this parliament and government meant that they heeded the anti-war sentiment that prevails in the Arab world more than they might have in the past.

Underlying all these reasons, however, is the reality that on Iraq, the interests of the US administration and those of Turkey are rather different, if not actually in conflict. What is more, Turkey's priorities – an unthreatening, stable, unified and solvent Iraq – have more in common with those of what Donald Rumsfeld contemptuously called "old Europe" and popular sentiment in Europe as a whole than they do with the calls for forced disarmament and regime-change coming from Washington and London.

Turkey's split from its US patron may also signify something broader. So long as Ankara was content for its western credentials to be validated by its membership of Nato, it remained unerringly loyal to the US. Now that it sees its future in the European Union, and the EU and the US are increasingly at odds, it is gravitating towards the EU. My hunch is that it is only a matter of time before the same route is travelled by the "new Europeans", those central and east European countries so assiduously courted by Washington as allies against Iraq.

So long as Nato membership, with its security guarantees, was their central objective, they saw relations with the US as their priority. As the EU becomes their club of choice, however, these "new Europeans" will tilt back towards the "old Europe" – where countries such as Poland and Hungary feel they have always belonged. Any old Europe/new Europe divide will then be exposed as the malign, Washington-inspired stratagem it really was all along.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: eu; irak; turkey; usa; warlist
m.dejevsky@independent.co.uk
1 posted on 03/04/2003 12:51:37 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; MadIvan; ...
Barf!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

2 posted on 03/04/2003 12:58:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam and his Baby Milk Factories!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
echo that..
3 posted on 03/04/2003 12:59:43 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
This article is intelligent, but the author has a reflexive anti-Americanism that bubbles up. Like holding down a pot lid to keep steam from .

Underlying all these reasons, however, is the reality that on Iraq, the interests of the US administration and those of Turkey are rather different, if not actually in conflict. What is more, Turkey's priorities – an unthreatening, stable, unified and solvent Iraq – have more in common with those of what Donald Rumsfeld contemptuously called "old Europe" and popular sentiment in Europe as a whole than they do with the calls for forced disarmament and regime-change coming from Washington and London.

This paragraph is an absolute lie, almost purposely disinformation. American aims are unity. "Old Europe" wants the continued civil war in Iraq, oppression, and maintenance of the status quo - which hurts Turkey economically. Real "Differences" do exist about the Iraqi Kurds, Turkomans, and such issues, though.

4 posted on 03/04/2003 12:59:46 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
The article underscores the competition between the EU and the US. It's no longer some little European Economic Community. They're still pulling their punches, but that's bound to change sooner than later.
5 posted on 03/04/2003 1:06:06 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
What's your perspective, a_Turk, on how the majority of the Turkish public feels about joining the EU?
6 posted on 03/04/2003 1:06:33 PM PST by ellery
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To: Shermy
steam from escaping.
7 posted on 03/04/2003 1:07:24 PM PST by Shermy
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To: a_Turk
Wrong...it was a kick in the groin after we had just gone to the mat for the Turkish government with our NATO "allies".

The US is taking names in this affair...and we will remember who stood with us and who stabbed us in the back. Turkey will come out ok on this, we think the American media unfairly painted Turkey as being for sale, and the Turkish media understandibly picked up on it. But we will patch up things with our buddies in Turkey.

France and Germany, well, there is a special economic hell reserved for you guys. We are going to get our economy straight and kick your economic ass all over the world...and love every minute of it...

...and in the future, you had better remember who you are f***ing with...
8 posted on 03/04/2003 1:07:52 PM PST by Keith (One way or another, Saddam is toast)
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To: ellery
>> on how the majority of the Turkish public feels about joining the EU?

It's all about living standards. They'll go there like moths into the fire..

I've lost all hope of increased US trade with Turkey. And not just last weekend..
9 posted on 03/04/2003 1:09:39 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
"I've lost all hope of increased US trade with Turkey. "

I disagree. I think we will revive our friendship, and Dubya will take care of the Turks. We want a vibrant Turkey on the border of a free and democratic Iraq.
10 posted on 03/04/2003 1:14:33 PM PST by Keith
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To: a_Turk
In fact, US was given a lesson of naivete. Turkey will have theirs when they get closer to the "new Europe". Too bad the common Turks sold out. I still await a strategy planer to comment on what this all means. Why the strategic priorities have not been carefully reconsidered in the last 10 years. Quite a few fundamental changes in the world have been ignored or misjudged, me thinks.
11 posted on 03/04/2003 1:15:55 PM PST by singsong
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To: a_Turk
The article underscores the competition between the EU and the US. It's no longer some little European Economic Community. They're still pulling their punches, but that's bound to change sooner than later.

The EU pulls its punches? All I see is various countries attempting to impose their will on the others within the group.

The last paragraph is mischeivious:

So long as Nato membership, with its security guarantees, was their central objective, they saw relations with the US as their priority.

Whoever said this? This is a false dichotomy. The US, and UK, pushed hard for the EU to allow Turkey in. "Old Europe" is vehemently against it. Schizophrenically she mentions d'Estaing's comment - reflecting French policy, then suggests America is the barrier. Will the "EU" be a military configuration too? Many nations against this. Thereby NATO is still relevant.

As the EU becomes their club of choice, however, these "new Europeans" will tilt back towards the "old Europe" – where countries such as Poland and Hungary feel they have always belonged. Any old Europe/new Europe divide will then be exposed as the malign, Washington-inspired stratagem it really was all along.

It's amazing that one off-hand comment by Rumsfeld about German and French obstructionism has caused such a flurry in Europe. Since the hyper-centralizing wing of EU supporters see dissension, it's best to blame America and it's "malign" motives, rather than accede that there are different alternative views. The EU has existed for years without the need to vilify America. Money is the issue, and whose will will control the EU.

They won't let Turkey in as a full partner. Ever. Count on it. Turkey's historical and natural interests are with the US. Natural interests are also with Russia and a new (and unified) Iraq.

12 posted on 03/04/2003 1:20:06 PM PST by Shermy
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To: a_Turk
I've lost all hope of increased US trade with Turkey. And not just last weekend..

Why? Just wait until the EU decides its phoney openness to Turkey has no more use. You'll know about one week after Saddam falls.

Anyway, the US Govt. is too busy acceding our econnomic health to China and the like.

13 posted on 03/04/2003 1:22:50 PM PST by Shermy
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To: a_Turk
European identity is one of those things that are hard to pin down; you just know it when you see it. Lithuania, Slovenia, yes; Bulgaria – maybe; but Turkey – no.

Sounds a lot like racism to me.

14 posted on 03/04/2003 1:26:04 PM PST by RJL
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To: Shermy
>> They won't let Turkey in as a full partner. Ever. Count on it.

Nobody wants Turkey as a full partner. All policies of the developed nations are to have Turkey militarily strong but without an adequate defense industry to make it militarily independent. And trade is organized in a way to keep it going, but without making it financially independent.

That's how I see it..

As far as the EU, they've already got free and unfettered access to NATO assets, access which cannot be vetoed. The only restriction is that they cannot use it against Turkey, which was the only concession extracted in spite of pressure coming from all NATO allies, including the UK and USA, to give them that free access..

And that restriction is hanging on a very thin thread, if you asked me..
15 posted on 03/04/2003 1:29:41 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
Here's what I sent Mary:

So Turkey voting to thwart a northern front trumps all your sound reasons to keep Turkey out of the EU. Hmm. Your assertion that the Turk's action will stop US action in Iraq is simply wrong. The 4th Inf will move south and be used in a second wave assault on Baghdad if needed. It stops nothing. If anything it shows that Turkey is more Islamic than European which you seamed to have recognized and now ignore. Your notion that Turkey rejected due to a desire to be more like the French is absurd. They're Muslims first not asiatic-French and they didn't like the US objections to them going into Kurdistan. No USA troops in northern Iraq makes a Ottoman Turk entry into Northern Iraq less contrained.

I guess the EU border will be a Turkish Imperial Kurdistan. I didn't realize that EU membership should be based on anti-Americanism. Nice.

Cheers from the Evil America,

Glenn


16 posted on 03/04/2003 2:01:02 PM PST by 7o62x39 (A play on Orwell's Newspeak - Eurosoc)
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To: a_Turk
European identity is one of those things that are hard to pin down; you just know it when you see it.

The smell is usually a reliable indicator as well.

17 posted on 03/04/2003 2:14:46 PM PST by dead
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To: a_Turk
A very good article with some very wise comments from your part!
18 posted on 03/04/2003 6:19:15 PM PST by pkpjamestown
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To: a_Turk
we're idiots. We should have jumped at the chance to include Turkey in NAFTA (eastern europe and the UK, too)
19 posted on 03/06/2003 10:07:22 PM PST by ellery
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