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Snubbing Turkey--State Department missteps played a part in Saturday’s embarrassing vote.
National Review ^ | 3-3-03 | Joel Mowbray

Posted on 03/03/2003 8:04:12 AM PST by SJackson

The Turkish parliament's failure this weekend to approve the basing of U.S. troops made headlines around the world, but the unreported backstory is how officials at the U.S. State Department have their fingerprints all over the mess in Ankara. With the margin of defeat so narrow — a mere four votes shy of a simple majority — State's unfortunate diplomacy in the past few months likely made the difference.

Winning the support of Turkey for any Iraq invasion was the State Department's job and now many in the White House are wondering what went wrong. Turkey has been a reluctant, but willing, partner during four months of negotiations. Media reports, however, pegged Turkey as attempting to be bought off by the U.S. for supporting an Iraqi invasion. That was one of the key problems.

News accounts airing details of the supposedly secret negotiations made Turkey's leadership look driven almost solely by money. "The leaks made Turkey look like a prostitute," complains one Turkish official. Part of this anger stems from the fact that the leaks claiming Turkey was still shaking down the U.S. for more money continued even after the economic issues had been agreed upon and taken off the table.

While the source of leaks can never be known for certain, but officials at both State and the Pentagon insist that the leaks were part of a coordinated campaign by State to strong-arm Turkey. If so, the tactic backfired.

But the leaks were only part of the problem. People familiar with the political scene in Turkey — as much as 90 percent of the public opposes war with Iraq — knew for months before Saturday that the vote in the parliament would be tight. In an effort to build more support among the Turkish military, the Pentagon wanted to send a delegation to Turkey in November. State refused. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was adamant that the Pentagon not encroach on State's turf, and the military meeting was scuttled.

In fairness to the State Department, dealing with the Turkish leadership is not an easy task. Most of the members of the ruling Justice and Development Party lack the sophistication found in more seasoned governments. One Defense Department official who is an avid supporter of Turkey comments that Saturday's vote is a sign that it is "amateur hour" in the Turkish government. Further complicating matters, the top spot in the Turkish government is likely changing hands in a week, when the head of the Justice and Development Party, Tayyip Erdogan, becomes eligible for the prime-minister slot (which he will likely move into).

Erdogan supported the failed resolution, but changing leadership is a process that can take up to two weeks. Although some wire stories Sunday indicated that the Turkish parliament would not take up the resolution when it reconvenes Tuesday, Turkish officials insist that it could be voted on again this week. If that doesn't happen, though, the timetable could stretch out for an extra week or two as the new leadership is installed.

Discussions about a follow-up vote in parliament might have been moot if State had handled itself differently — in Iraq. According to a Turkish official, one of the items that members of the parliament were angriest about was the exclusion of Turkish-backed individuals from the leadership of the Iraqi opposition.

In a meeting Friday in Northern Iraq, six leaders were selected — including one backed by Iran and another who is popular with Saudi Arabia — but the leader of the group representing Iraq's sizeable Turkoman population was merely promised a position on some unspecified committee. The move puzzled many in the Bush administration. "State warmly embraced the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution (backed by Tehran) and went out of its way to keep Saudi Arabia happy, but then they decided to screw our ally," complains a Defense Department official.

It is unclear exactly how many votes were swayed by the previous day's snub in northern Iraq, but considering the resolution only failed by four votes out of 534 members present, State's actions there could have been the difference. Either way, it is a sore spot for many in the Bush administration — some of whom think the State Department angering Turkey was no accident. Notes a Defense Department official familiar with the Iraqi opposition groups: "Many top officials at State don't want to go to war in Iraq. State knew the politics of the situation, yet they excluded the group backed by Turkey right as the Turkish parliament was voting on the resolution. It makes you wonder: Is State trying to undermine the president?"

— Joel Mowbray is an NRO contributor and a Townhall.com columnist.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: powellwatch; turkey; usa; warlist
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To: DeuceTraveler
Nonsense. Clinton holdovers do not make policy for DoS except in your imagination. And that of Bush-haters.
81 posted on 03/03/2003 11:16:45 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Its time to trap some RATS)
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To: ClancyJ

Cut off the State Department. Powell got us into this mess with the U.N. greatly damaging our world image and hindering the protection of Americans. He then fails to monitor the negotiations of his own department resulting in possible harm to our troops.

BTTT

82 posted on 03/03/2003 11:19:16 AM PST by Sparta (ANSWER, the new Communist conspiracy for the twenty-first century)
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To: UncleSamUSA
State has not impeded our war effort in any way except in the minds of those desparate to attack Bush. Since they can't do it upfront without being obvious whackjobs they try and do it a roundabout way by attacking his team. Nothing you stated is documented and just more D.U./ANSWER/NOT IN MY NAME Crap.

These critics seem to be incapable of understanding the difference between the DoS and the DoD. Hardly a suprise. After all D.U. is not very smart.

If you think I am "peace loving" as in trying to give Saddam more time, a break etc. you don't have a clue.
83 posted on 03/03/2003 11:23:56 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Its time to trap some RATS)
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To: a_Turk
You guys are strong and magnificent babes in those woods full of old wolves. I don't know how else to put it.

a_Turk, it's good to see you in a better mood today; we are "babes" in the sense that we're just now waking up to discover that a great deal of the bs we've accepted for so long about foreign policy is indeed just that.

Don't take all the abuse hurled Turkey's way on some of these threads as personal -- nerves are frayed on both sides of the ocean, the world is, in many respects, gone bonkers, and what we thought was a safe distance from the eye of the storm now turns out to be staring us in the face. We've got a lot of re-thinking to do.

Stay safe.

84 posted on 03/03/2003 11:27:13 AM PST by browardchad
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To: carton253
ping
85 posted on 03/03/2003 11:28:56 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
Notes a Defense Department official familiar with the Iraqi opposition groups: "Many top officials at State don't want to go to war in Iraq. State knew the politics of the situation, yet they excluded the group backed by Turkey right as the Turkish parliament was voting on the resolution. It makes you wonder: Is State trying to undermine the president?"

This is an extremely serious charge that calls into question the entire civil service system. An administration can move career civil servants who support them into positions from which they wield serious influence.

Perhaps some of those positions should be reviewed and transitioned to political appointments.

86 posted on 03/03/2003 11:30:10 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: a_Turk
Hmmmm....state department lackies protecting their post-Govt jobs as Saudi lobbyists? They don't want a war because sanctions would assumably subside - and the price of their oil decrease. Same for Iran, but I suppose "their" rep is a Shia, and Iran certainly has a bad history with Iraq they don't want a repeat - so oil not the primary motive. That a "Saudi" backed, but not Turkish, rep is on is ridiculous. But some here say that the State Dept. has the reputation of being the "Arab Dept."
87 posted on 03/03/2003 11:35:55 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Just mythoughts
"... the Pentagon had stated a while back they had alternative plans."

Yes, they did. They always have plan B, plan C, etc. They don't have tunnel vision.

I agree that we should accept it and move on...it is what it is.

"SO no I do not blame the vote, I don't like it don't agree with it but understand fully after watching CNN and its mis-information for years.

Agreed.

"I also don't want the US be pictured as a beggar, bully, and portrayed as buying friends, instead of paying for usage of land, space of the nation, a clean straight up contract with no hidden agenda like the "LEFTIST" do."

Absolutely! Very well said, I might add.

88 posted on 03/03/2003 11:37:56 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (I heart "New" Europe!)
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To: a_Turk
Are you kidding!
NOW is the time to follow what is going on in Turkey..
Actions now, will determine the future.

I strongly suspect our own State Department on several levels...and our leftist media with attempting to influence the Turkisk decision in ANY way they could....
Powell was wrong to insist we go to the U.N..
I never fully trusted Powell, and still do not...

But, I am more concerned that Islamists in control of Turkey's legislature will hold the radical Islamist view of the world, closer than the welfare of their own Nation..
In that direction, lies destruction..

Semper Fi

90 posted on 03/03/2003 11:51:13 AM PST by river rat (Help save the planet ...... Work toward the extinction of Jihadists....ARM THYSELF)
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To: a_Turk
I knew you would ping me... :)

And I will agree that we probably did our share...but I won't put the whole blame on the US. There is enough blame to go around... and Turkey must take her share instead of screaming "mean ole US demeaned us."

You said that the Turkey delegation felt humiliated... after reading your over-emotional posts the last two days... I don't think it took that much to make the Turkey delegation feel humiliated.

But... it will be okay in the end.

And I'm still waiting on proof that the Kurds are being armed with AA that WILL SHOOT DOWN THE AIRPLANE WITH YOUR KIDS ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have a great day!

91 posted on 03/03/2003 11:55:57 AM PST by carton253
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To: seamole
Diplomacy is not about public clarification. Behind closed doors brow beat all you want. Rumsfeld public position meant that the Germans and French could not back down because they would lose face. Diplomacy is about accomidation.

I know you like Rumsfeld and he is a great managaer but he is no diplomat. Gen. Schwartzkoff was very public with his criticisim of Rumsfeld as were other high ranking generals.

There was no Machiavellian plot by Rumsfeld to find our true allies when he went to Europe and was so abrasive he had the Germans lecturing us in English. Good diplomacy heads off stupidity like that at the pass.

92 posted on 03/03/2003 12:03:09 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: seamole
I should add--who knows? Maybe Rumsfeld did do it to undercut Powell and find our reall allies.
93 posted on 03/03/2003 12:06:14 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: a_Turk
Thanks for the ping. We both felt this issue was much more "complex" than what was being reported.

We also have to remember that when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, Turkey was abandoned after the 1991 Gulf War. They suffered greatly for it.

I just wish they had given this administration the benefit of the doubt.

It is extremely complex, there are the Kurds and their distrust of Turkey. There is the "new" Government in Iraq, which MATTERS to Turkey. So many issues.. but someone somewhere failed to realize what good friends the Turks have been to the US in the past and to really assure them we would not repeat history and abandon them.

Then there was the much publicized but innacurate reporting on the amount of LOAN money to be sent to Turkey.

Lots of mistakes all around.

I wish it could be repaired,.. but I don't think so this time. Hope I'm wrong.

FRegards, Vets
94 posted on 03/03/2003 12:21:29 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Allan
ping
95 posted on 03/03/2003 12:24:12 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: a_Turk
why would I want off the list? Good information is easy to find when somebody else collects it for you... which you do well.
keep up the work...

96 posted on 03/03/2003 12:31:19 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (Mr. 29a... needs to be convicted)
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To: ClancyJ
State Dept. Point Person on Islamic Nations Resigns

Story is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/855985/posts

97 posted on 03/03/2003 12:34:54 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: SJackson
"Is State trying to undermine the president?"

Maybe Powell needs to clean house ...??
98 posted on 03/03/2003 12:35:45 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Servant of the Nine
are they UNIONIZED?

termination could be a problem.. unless we move them all where they belong, into the department of homeland security where they can be fired without the power to go on strike.

we had one write a rather bitter "I am leaving" letter last week... looks like about 2/3 of the people there are still clintong supporters...

clinton of course, fired all the conservatives in office within a week of his arrival. Bush is a nice guy. Too nice. HE needs an enforcer. Powell is mentally capable... but doesn't like war anymore... and lacks the visceral anger it takes to cut their cajones off.

We need John Wayne... but we got Mr. Rogers. Powell needs to up his testosterone levels... because I think he has the potential to "straighted strings" but his heart just does not seem to be in it.
99 posted on 03/03/2003 12:40:36 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (Mr. 29a... needs to be convicted)
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To: a_Turk
I agree with that.
100 posted on 03/03/2003 12:41:32 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (Mr. 29a... needs to be convicted)
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