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Pope John Paul II may ask to personally address UN Security Council to stop Iraq war
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | March 3, 2003

Posted on 03/03/2003 2:46:58 AM PST by HAL9000

The pope wants to go in front of UNO if its message with Bush does not stop the war

Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq, learned Monday the AFP from diplomatic source vaticane.L' possibility of a direct address of the pope in the United Nations was evoked during the maintenance of the pope with the secretary-general of UNO, Kofi Annan, there are two weeks in the Vatican, one added of the same source.Le cardinal Pio Laghi left Rome Monday morning for Washington carrying a message of peace as it must give to the American president. The cardinal, old apostolic nuncio (ambassador) in Washington and friend of the Bush family, hopes to be received mercredi.Une delegation of American religious leaders forwarded last week to Jean Paul II a letter wishing that the head of the catholic Church go to ONU."Il is allocated only to the pope himself to make such a decision ", commented on Sunday on a chain of television the archbishop Renato Martino, old observant of the Holy See at the United Nations and current president of the pontifical Council for justice and the peace, which had been charged to transmit to the missive.Si the pope, had tired and old of almost 82 years, had he could benefit from it to go to request in Ground Zero, affirms one diplomatic source vaticane.Ce gesture would be very appreciated by all the Americans, adds one. He had been considered last August at the time of the voyage of the pope in Canada for the world Days of Jeunesse.Dans diplomatic circles of the Holy See, one estimates that the parallel actions and concommitantes of the pope on the two protagonists of the crisis, Iraq and the United States, represent a significant chance so that a war is evité.Le Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should take account of the risk to be relatively insulated in the Arab world if he made the deaf person ear with a call to order of the Arab League, even observes one of the same source.De, underlines one, president Bush, of methodist confession, should not receive from one who asked nearly a billion and half of Christians of the whole world to fast for peace Wednesday. This fast is also preached by the World Council of Churches of Geneva where Protestant Eglises and orthodoxes.En sit reiterating Sunday its call to all the Christians, the pope confirmed his determination with all to try for the paix."Sans to go in front of the difficulties, it is necessary to look for and traverse all the possible ways to avoid the war, which always brings with it serious mournings and consequences for everyone ", he launched to the thousands of brought together pilgrims Saint-Pierre place under the eye of the cameras of télévision.Le cardinal Laghi will make any possible sound to convince president Bush that a unilateral attack except UNO against Iraq is a "crime against peace", Foreign Minister of the pope, Mgr Jean Louis Tauran.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; iraq; johnpaulii; pope; saddamhussein; securitycouncil
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To: clintonh8r
Amen and agree with you 100%. Let him pray over the dead body of Saddam if he wants to take part....but let us finish what needs to be done.
121 posted on 03/03/2003 8:29:29 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (Which one will lose? Depends on what I choose or maybe which voice...I ignore.)
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To: winner3000
Could it be that the man is being used as a front to call for "PEACE" "PEACE" "PEACE" and there will not be "PEACE" until the true Christ comes back to set things straight.

This "PEACE" calling business ought to give sight to those who are familiar with the WORD of what is part of the deception. Must look to our Heavenly Father not to men.

Common sense at what religions around the world do and say lets us test their fruit, and if they are producing bitter fruit, whatever church/religion all the better to be able to see and not be deceived.
122 posted on 03/03/2003 8:34:59 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: My Favorite Headache
I was born and raised Catholic, and have always had the deepest respect for the Pope... however, he needs to stay outta this! I started losing respect for him a few months ago and it looks like ALL respect is gone now, which is sad. He's so quick to chastise the US with the upcoming "liberation;" why didn't he chastise the pedophile priests with as much gusto???? I'm so disappointed in him.
123 posted on 03/03/2003 8:36:38 AM PST by angelwings49 (Proud to be a FReeper!!!)
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To: HAL9000
From AFP English language service -

Pope mulls appeal to avoid war

Vatican City, Mar 3 - Pope John Paul II intends to make a personal address to the United Nations Security Council if an appeal this week to US President George W. Bush fails to deter him from going to war with Iraq, a Vatican diplomatic source told AFP on Monday.

The spectre of the frail pope, left almost immobile from advanced Parkinson's disease, making a dramatic personal plea to the UN emerged as his special envoy left for Washington to try to persuade Bush to allow more time for a peaceful resolution to the Iraqi crisis.

Cardinal Pio Laghi, an 80-year-old former Vatican ambassador to the United States and a personal friend of the Bush family, left Rome for a meeting at the White House, tentatively scheduled for Wednesday.

Laghi's visit is the latest element of a diplomatic peace offensive by the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who has emerged as the leading moral voice against war with Iraq.

"I hope to establish a dialogue with President Bush. Some say the war has already begun. We don't believe that this is so," said Laghi, after a weekend in which US and British intensified strikes on Iraqi targets in moves seen as clearing the way for war.

"The position of John Paul II and the Holy See is to avoid the outbreak of war," Laghi said, before boarding a plane for Washington.

But a White House spokesman said last week that Bush was unlikely to be swayed by the Holy See. The possibility of the ailing 82-year-old pontiff flying to New York to make what would be a dramatic 11th-hour appeal to avert war was raised at a meeting two weekes ago between John Paul II and UN Secretary General Kofi Annan", the Vatican source said.

Archbishop Renato Martino, the Vatican's former permanent observer at the UN, said on Sunday: "It's up to the pope himself to make such a decision."

If the pontiff does go to New York, he is also likely to pray at Ground Zero, the Vatican source said.

A papal pilgrimage to the site of the World Trade Centre, destroyed on September 11, 2001, would be much appreciated in the United States as a gesture that the Vatican, in calling so stridently for war to be averted, also fully recognizes US citizens' pain.

The Vatican's steadfast refusal to condone military action against Iraq as a "just war" has frustrated the White House, despite attempts by its ambassador to the Holy See, Jim Nicholson, to get the Vatican on its side in the moral debate.

Nicholson arranged a visit to the Vatican and a speech to diplomats and clergy in Rome by Michael Novak, a conservative US theologian who argued that war on Iraq was morally defensible.

The Vatican has repeatedly said Washington's "preventive war" would in reality be a "war of aggression" and therefore without moral basis.

Just one week ago, Vatican Foreign Minister Jean-Louis Tauran said: "A war of aggression would be a crime against peace."


125 posted on 03/03/2003 8:40:45 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: winner3000
"...I'm sure the Christian minority that lives in Iraq is thrilled with the Pope's helping of their tormentor Saddam Hussein...

See post #100....

126 posted on 03/03/2003 8:41:21 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: AmericaUnited
The RCC pretty much ignores the entire letter Paul wrote to them.
127 posted on 03/03/2003 8:41:33 AM PST by fishtank
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To: BlessedBeGod
What's anti-catholic about stating some facts about the failures of the church?

Both points made were true. The CC has been criminally negligent in dealing with aberrant and criminal priests. The CC was also woefully inadequate in tolerating Hitler.

I'm Episcopalian and I am very embarrassed by our current leadership which doesn't mean I don't love my church.

I just think we need to look honestly at the failures of our church leadership.
128 posted on 03/03/2003 8:44:07 AM PST by altura (I love a middle-aged hippy with a gray pony tail!)
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Ya know, I'm trying to figure out why you post ENTIRE articles as rebuttals to arguments when they should be posted as threads of their own. You're awfully good at copying and pasting but when it comes to forming your own arguments all you can do is lash out with incoherent figurative language.
129 posted on 03/03/2003 8:53:16 AM PST by Terriergal ("what's more ridiculous than a pro choice antihunter?")
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To: Pure Country
I notice labelledamesansmerci replied to this post with an entire article detailing an example of others who do not care. Exactly how does that answer your question, have you figured it out yet? Cuz I sure haven't!
130 posted on 03/03/2003 8:55:19 AM PST by Terriergal ("what's more ridiculous than a pro choice antihunter?")
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To: Terriergal
President Bush gave an explicitly Wilsonian speech the other night before the American Enterprise Institute. The speech deserved close and intense scrutiny on FreeRepublic as one of the few places where American conservatives can fight among themselves without having to waste time fending off the inanities of the New Left. I started a thread about it and it got heaved into the Hobbit Hole.

The attitude on this forum is one of sullen submission to the inevitability of American hubris, blindness and nemesis.

The silence around here on one of the most important--and, in my opinion, most chilling--foreign policy statements yet made by the President is deafening. But terribly, terribly enlightening....

131 posted on 03/03/2003 9:00:45 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Terriergal
"...without having to waste time fending off the inanities of the New Left..."

By the way, I clearly mis-spoke there. This forum is suffused with--one might even say dominated by--New Leftism.

132 posted on 03/03/2003 9:03:46 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: patriciaruth
Woopsie Patty-Poopsie: I am confident that your wiser, better self meant to post "they did such a good job toppling Communism"
133 posted on 03/03/2003 9:06:10 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: AmericaUnited
Where does the pope state that NOTHING should be done in the face of this evil? (Hint: NOWHERE, NEVER)

Please stop making things up to smear someone. It is sinful (check out the 10 commandments).
134 posted on 03/03/2003 9:08:40 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
'nuf said, petronski - well done
135 posted on 03/03/2003 9:12:02 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: AmericaUnited
Apostle Paul bump.

"Spiritus Gladius."

136 posted on 03/03/2003 9:31:58 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
This forum is suffused with--one might even say dominated by--New Leftism.

Yes, and you're a great case in point.

137 posted on 03/03/2003 9:35:49 AM PST by Terriergal ("what's more ridiculous than a pro choice antihunter?")
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To: Robert_Paulson2; RnMomof7; xzins; George W. Bush; fortheDeclaration
"Spiritus Gladius" bump for the Apostle Paul. (I really like that phrase.)
138 posted on 03/03/2003 9:37:30 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Robert Drobot
JP's against anyone who may be pro-Israel - the heart of American foreign policy in the Middle-East. He has publicly declared on numerous occasions his shameful support of the blood lust (Jewish) murderer Arafat who praised children strapped with bombs who are driven by his hateful rhetoric to murder the children of Israel.

Thanks for this post. Everytime this comes up, everyone who questions JP's motivation is accused of "Catholic-bashing". Honestly, I am amazed that the inconsistencies are not evident to CATHOLICS. At least on the issue of abusers, they are consistent - let molesting "priests" continue abusing, let Saddam continue abusing... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD - and stand by Israel.
139 posted on 03/03/2003 9:44:28 AM PST by safisoft
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To: safisoft
That JP2 is a real jew-hater. I understand all the vestments in his private chapel are made of human jewish skin and that he prefers the altar wine to be taken from booty of jewish wine cellars raided during WWII. In fact, for breakfast he sprinkles aborted jews on his cereal.



140 posted on 03/03/2003 9:48:35 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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