AZ: Rural People to Protest Environmental Disaster and Forest Policies

The Sierra Times ^ | Feb. 26, 2003 | Paragon Foundation

[madfly]

Thanks to EBUCK, Carry_Okie, the Mystery Freeper and all those who have donated, the AZFIRE.org billboard and informative website has inspired these folks to action! Not to mention the flood of questions EBUCK has received and answered at the AZFIRE.org mailbox. Kudos to you.

Please pass this on.

AZFIRE.org

thanks

[madfly]

environMENTALists ping!

[madfly]

pinging Arizona!

[lonestar]

This email came in response to an article about drilling but it says more about all land use, environmental issues, IMO.

It just so happens that Texans in the oil patch love their state and it's beauty just as much as the environmentalist claim to.

[madfly]

Here's a thread from June by freeper RooRoobird14 regarding a visit to the concerned folks at the Sierra Club during the Rodeo/Chediski fires.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/705766/posts

Report from Front Lines: Visit to Sierra Club Office
me | 6/25/2002 | me

Posted on 06/25/2002 12:45 PM MDT by RooRoobird14

Hubby just called to report on his visit to the local Sierra Club office in Phoenix.

He had tried calling many times yesterday, and couldn't get through on the phone lines.

Their office front doors were locked--he kept knocking and knocking until they gave up and let him in (LOL). The office window shades were drawn, and they obviously wanted everyone to think they were closed.

The woman who runs the office is one PISSED OFF bull dyke(not making this up). She was extremely angry that he was "bothering" them. She said she was "too busy" and "didn't have time to talk to people like him."

He asked her how many lawyers the Sierra Club employed, and she refused to answer. He asked her what the Sierra Club was doing to help put out the fires and she said "that's none of your business.". He asked her how much federal (taxpayer) grant money the Sierra Club got this year; she said "I don't have to answer that question."

There was a young man in the office who was actually polite and willing to talk to my hysband, but the B.D. was an absolute b*tch.

While hubby was in the office, the B.D. was replaying recorded phone messages left for them by angry callers. Hubby overhead three of the messages. All three were from enraged refugees of the fire who left f-word-peppered messages. One man (said he lost his home in the fire) said he was going to get even with them, he had a gun, and he'd take his time to get even. The BD was taking notes and muttering about filing police reports.

While I don't support anyone threatening violence on the Sierra Club, I can certainly understand how some of the displaced residents could be completely enraged at this point.

Frankly, I'm glad Governor Hull set off a firestorm criticizing enviro-wacko groups and how their lawsuits have paralyzed the Forest Service in general. The dialogue that's ensuing is a good thing.

[Mister Baredog]

It seems that the enviroNAZIs have lost their friends in the White House. Maybe we can get some sense back into the thinking. Of course that will include thousands of LAWSUITS! In fact we now have states writing wacky laws(California thinks they can prevent global warming by punishing the residents of our state alone) We now have Demoncrat state govt's suing the federal gov't. It all a field day for lawyers while "Rome" burns

[Free the USA]

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[Grampa Dave]

The event intends to show the world what current environmental policies have resulted in and that environmental groups are not truly interested in saving endangered species but rather, the environmental movement is about money, control and power. "More endangered species habitat has been destroyed than saved in the White Mountains under federal management and environmental extremist meddling through the courts, and we can prove it!" says Dave Holt of Heber/Overgaard, another event planner.

Like the Biscuit Fire which basically burnt up the Kalimiopsis Wilderness Area in SW Oregon last year. The fire was set up by the no roads, no clearing of dead trees and brush and the envirals worship of natural fires.

So 180,000 acres of beautiful wilderness burnt up last year.

[madfly]

Some background from 1997.

Saturday, 26 July 1997

Judges void hundreds of grazing leases, extend logging halt

Saturday, 26 July 1997
METRO/REGION      1B
Keith Bagwell
THE ARIZONA DAILY STAR

A 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel voided hundreds of livestock grazing leases yesterday on the 11 national forests in Arizona and New Mexico.

The three-judge panel of the San Francisco appeals court also extended its May 30 halt of two-thirds of the logging operations on the 11 forests.

[MeekOneGOP]

I thought it was "Raising Arizona?" ...

LOL ! One ping coming up ...

[MeekOneGOP]

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Arizona ping list!. . .don't be shy.

[yoe]

Where are the folks from Mt. Lemon? I understand that when home owners in parts of the White Mountains realized they "were next", the air was filled with the sound of chain saws in violation of those great EPA no-no's! Go here for a look from NASA

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=4117

If this doesn't link, someone please get back to me and lets try to figure out why it won't. Thanks

[WaterDragon]

Fantastic! Simply fantastic!

[madfly]

I've never been to Texas. I used to think Texans were outspoken. After seeing how many concerned folks from TX post on the web, compared to other states, I have to say, Texans speak up!

[GWfan]

The fires here had a direct impact on many, many people I know. Part of my family had to be evacuated from their home for days. I am not surprised at all at the level of outrage expressed by those angry with the Sierra club.

[madfly]

IIRC the 'mentalists were trying to stop the building of an Observatory. Some junky science about a squirrel that was debunked or something.

And as for your link, forget it, lol. I tried copying to notepad to look for errors and got the FR link. I was thinking of adding "www" to it. I do hope the Mt. Lemon people get news of this protest.

[yoe]

"IIRC the 'mentalists were trying to stop the building of an Observatory. Some junky science about a squirrel that was debunked or something."

Those were the days! The telescopes threatened the Red Squirrel whose very existence they claimed was doomed to extinction; this little fellow has rejoiced and multiplied since the 'scopes' went in. Further down on the mountain are multiple campgrounds and some very nice substantial homes. It was these people, hiker/campers and I believe Earth First who tried with vigor and little intellect to stop the building of these truly magnificent radio/telescopes. A third much larger one is about completed and the Red Squirrel still flourishes.

Glad the link worked.

[Slip18]

Are you going to be in Phoenix on the 24th of March, Madfly? I really will get to meet with you?

[madfly]

I now know you were referring to the fire last year on Mt. Lemon. What a crazy time. There were fires from one end of the state to the other.

[madfly]

Yes, I will freepmail you.