When Students Attack

The Hartford Advocate ^ | February 27, 2003 | Chris Harris

[cgbg]

When the lights go out in a classroom at Fox Middle School, teachers who work there know that the smart thing to do is run...

[ofMagog]

B T T T

[Teacher317]

Rather than reposting my long essay, I'll just sum it up: If public education is no longer compulsory, then the schools will have the power to expel any violent little cretin, most of the worst will never even volunteer to enter the building, and those who stay will be there because they want to be. Scores go up, violence goes down, faculty empowerment goes up, accountability goes up, etc.

If having mandated free daycare (which is all schools are for those who aren't there for an education) is so important, that pass legislation saying so... just don't continue to ruin schools by forcing them to play the dual role.

It is blatanly obvious (to anyone who will allow themselves to see) that compulsory education for all does not raise the education level for the nation. It is the Tenth Plank of the Communist Manifesto, and is just a big a failure as the rest of Marx's doctrine.

Of course, when the uneducable are sorted out, the 'undecideds' will have to choose between violent daycare gang centers, and peaceful education centers where behavioral compliance is demanded (and the consequence is expulsion). They'll figure it out quickly enough, and you will truly see that kids and parent are choosing education, since they can clearly see the alternative.

(In my urban-suburban middle school, I was 'the enforcer', since I was the only physical male in the entire hallway.)

[cgbg]

I'm a 225 lb powerlifter

I guess that means you can pick up and physically remove the bad kids from class!

Probably each teacher at these schools should begin their class with the following disclaimer:

Don't even think about trying to sue me. I have no assets except my feet and my fists, and if you get out of line you will get your fair share of those.

;-)

[Experiment 6-2-6]

"You have a minority of kids who are taking over, making it impossible for teachers to teach, and students to learn," says Carpino. "And we can't go on like that."

Just as in prison, the prisoners run the institution.

[adx]

The argument that they must stay in school in order to become productive members of society is a sham. They will not become productive members of society just because they are confined to a school all day. Schools shouldn't be child care institutions.

Agreed. Some children should "be left behind".

[RaceBannon]

You may have heard me callin to some talk shows in CT, I used to ask the Shef supporting hosts a simple question:

How come little black kids cant learn unless they sit next to little white kids?

I hoped to point out the total hypocricy of their stance: that little sheff (who is now 22?) could learn if he actually read his books and did his homework, and the teachers held them to that standard.

Instead, we get this politically correct midnight-basketball logic: Black kids cant learn in a black school unless we control their environment through government action; translating to the idea that we must send them to suburban schools where there is less crime already because we dont want to deal with the crime issue/lack of parental support issue/lack of personal discipline issue.

I am so sick of the dems using race as the underlying issue in all things that are only due to personal behaviour and character.

[RaceBannon]

I do not think that the schools should be teaching morality, for that is one of the reasons we have the problems we do today: we have the governments version of morality!

We need a statewide effort to have the governor to call in all preachers in the towns and cities and tell them to start preaching about sin and a responsibility to God, that will cause people to think of right and wrong, which is where these problems arise from.

Next, we need to stop thinking that gimmmicks are the solution, when the solution is more work, harder studying, more homework and higher standards, and holding to those standards!

Switching schools because one school system is bad? Dont even think of stopping that which is bad in the bad system, just change the school the kid goes to? Leave the bad school bad and not even try to fix it?

Sounds like a joke I tell about how clean I keep my apartment:

Clean? Why Clean? Just move!

[cgbg]

you can force children to learn

Actually I don't know whether you can"force children to learn".

I do know that disruptive kids must be removed from the classroom immediately. I do know that young criminals are still criminals and need harsh and swift punishment.

Will they learn from that? Maybe, maybe not. However kids who are on the border trying to decide whether to be criminals or not will reconsider if the costs outweigh the benefits in their eyes.

I am primarily arguing that the adults have to set high standards, live by those standards, enforce those standards.

Then education becomes possible. Without that base line in place the schools are a total waste of time, are abusive to children, and should be closed immediately.

[LoneGOPinCT]

I hoped to point out the total hypocricy of their stance: that little sheff (who is now 22?) could learn if he actually read his books and did his homework, and the teachers held them to that standard.

You're expecting way too much Race! ;^)

It's got nothing to do with the fact that many little inner-city kids don't even bother to show up to school a good amount of time. Witness the celebration over 70% attendance on the first day along with the obligatory prizes and give-aways to those who actually show up. I don't care how much money you dump into the inner-city schools (and Lord knows in this state they dump a ton), if the kid's parents can't get them to go to school, they ain't never gonna learn nothin'. Whether the teachers teach or not.

It's a vicious cycle. Many inner-city parents have a disdain for education and pass that on to their unwitting children who only see what their parents allow them to see. They in turn, put forth no effort when it comes to their education, drop out, then have kids who they then pass their outlook onto. Until truancy and not punking out (that is being the aggressor) are demoted as status symbols in many city schools, nothing will change.

[BraveMan]

But, but, but, but punishing the "children" flies in diametric opposition to mindset endorsed by the liberal adgenda!

How can this be? Children are so pure! None must be left behind! They're our FUTURE!!

Surely we dare not embrace the hate-filled, Christian "Spare The Rod" philosophy . . .