Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Waco - Survivors mark 10-year anniversary of raid on Branch Davidians
Associated Press | February 27, 2003 | ANGELA K. BROWN

Posted on 02/27/2003 8:23:47 PM PST by HAL9000

Children were playing, women were cleaning the kitchen and some men were reading the newspaper that Sunday morning as rain drizzled outside the Branch Davidian compound.

Just before 10 a.m., sect leader David Koresh appeared in the cafeteria doorway and said he'd been told someone was coming.

"He said, `Everybody stay calm,'" recalled Clive Doyle, who was in the compound. "I could hear him go down the hall and open the door. Then I heard gunfire, shots being fired by the hundreds. I heard him say, `Wait! We've got women and children in here!'"

It was Feb. 28, 1993, when federal agents were trying to arrest Koresh for stockpiling illegal weapons. By the end of the day, six Branch Davidians and four officers were dead.

The botched raid triggered a 51-day standoff that ended when FBI-led military vehicles rammed and spewed tear gas into the compound, which exploded in flames and burned to the ground. More than 70 people died, including two dozen children.

Survivors and families of the slain Branch Davidians planned to hold a memorial service Friday at a chapel built a few years ago on the site, called Mount Carmel, 10 miles east of Waco.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was planning a private service for agents Friday during a training seminar in Houston.

A decade later, among the survivors' lingering questions is why the ATF raided the compound instead of arresting Koresh during his jogs or trips into town. And why couldn't the ATF, with an undercover agent inside the compound until shortly before the raid, have planned better to prevent such an outcome?

Because of pending lawsuits, the ATF won't comment on the raid and the standoff's fiery end, said agency spokesman Andrew Lluberes.

Government officials said after the events and in subsequent congressional hearings that Koresh had been tipped off about the raid that morning. They say his followers starting shooting soon after agents pulled up in two cattle trucks and announced their intention to search for explosives and automatic firearms.

Cult members say they started firing only after law enforcement authorities did.

"There was no ambush" by Davidians, Doyle said. "The government said we knew 45 minutes before they got there, but if that was true, wouldn't they have all been shot while getting out of their cars?"

The religious group had been in the Waco area since shortly after it was formed in the 1930s by some Seventh-day Adventists. After a split in the late 1950s, the larger group became the Branch Davidians.

That sect split in 1984, and most of the group followed Koresh, whose real name was Vernon Howell. As more followers moved to the area, they built the large compound, which had two floors of sleeping quarters, an underground bunker, cafeteria, chapel, gym, swimming pool, water tank and observation tower.

Koresh called himself Christ and said all women on Earth were supposed to be his "wives." His preaching, which sometimes lasted 18 hours, focused on the biblical book of Revelation and the end of the world.

Koresh set meal times and assigned tasks but didn't force people to stay, some of his followers said.

"Nobody wanted to go because if you left, you were going to miss something you wanted to hear," said Catherine Matteson, 87, who survived the raid and left the compound a few days later.

Authorities had known about the weapons since 1987, when Koresh and others had a shootout with the son of the group's former leader. In the three years before the raid, police also heard reports that Koresh fathered babies with underage girls and physically abused children.

During the raid, ATF agents have said sect members sprayed them and their trucks with bullets. A man in the tower used a machine gun, while others had high-powered weapons and launched grenades, authorities have said.

ATF agents Conway LeBleu, 30, of Lake Charles, La.; Todd McKeehan, 28, of Mandeville, La.; Robert Williams, 26, of Brandon, Miss.; and Steven Willis, 32, of Houston were killed.

During cease-fire negotiations that day, those inside the compound agreed not to shoot as the slain and wounded agents were taken away.

Sixteen injured agents were taken to Waco's Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center, where the Rev. Curtis Holland counseled them and their grieving colleagues.

One agent "was crying bitterly, saying, `I couldn't shoot her. I couldn't shoot her,'" recalled Holland, former director of the hospital's chaplain program. "He was talking about children inside the room where bullets were coming out. It took a while for him to talk about the experience ... (of seeing) children actually firing guns."

After hearing the first shots, Doyle said, he ran down the hall and saw Koresh with a bloody hand. Koresh's father-in-law, Perry Jones, was crawling away from the door, saying he'd been shot in the stomach. Doyle and others helped Jones get to a bed, where he later died.

Doyle was rushing down another first-floor hallway when he saw the body of Winston Blake, who apparently had been sitting on his bed when gunfire came through his window.

"Water and glass were pouring into the room, and he was laying in a pool of water and blood," Doyle said.

JayDean Wendell, who had just handed her baby after breast-feeding to her oldest daughter, was shot and killed on the second floor. Peter Hitsman also was killed. Peter Gent was shot while cleaning the water tank outside.

Mike Schroeder had been working several miles away but was shot to death later that afternoon on adjacent property while trying to get back to his family in the compound.

Later that day, Doyle dug a large hole in the storm shelter to bury Perry, Blake, Wendell and Hitsman. Authorities agreed not to shoot while Doyle and others dug another hole outside and buried Gent. Schroeder's body was removed by agents.

Koresh, who recovered from bullet wounds to his hand and torso, arranged for Matteson and another woman to leave the compound with an audiotape of his teachings to be played on the radio.

Still, followers say they remained afraid even after the shooting stopped and negotiations started.

"It blew my mind. I thought, `Oh God, where did all these people come from?" said Doyle, now 62. "I thought they were going to regroup, come back the next day with more and slaughter us."

The end came 51 days later.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: atf; batf; billbuford; branchdavidians; branchdividians; clinton; waco

1 posted on 02/27/2003 8:23:48 PM PST by HAL9000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Comment #2 Removed by Moderator

To: HAL9000
A decade later, among the survivors' lingering questions is why the ATF raided the compound instead of arresting Koresh during his jogs or trips into town. And why couldn't the ATF, with an undercover agent inside the compound until shortly before the raid, have planned better to prevent such an outcome?

Why not just knock on the door and serve the warrant? Sure have plenty of backup, but don't go charging in like the 7th Calvary under George Custer. It's not like they could flush the alleged fully automatic weapons and destructive devices (hand grenade shells probably to be made into "complaint department" nicknacks) down the toilets.

3 posted on 02/27/2003 8:37:09 PM PST by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
I've never seen so many lies, proven falshoods, resurrected about the incident. Lots of stuff glossed over too. Like how the woman who was killed on an upper floor just after feeding her baby was killed by a bullet that came down through the roof, a bullet that could only have come from a helicopter, and only the BATF had helicopters that day. Too many lies and it's too late, and I'm too digusted. The truth is out there, most of it, the rest is well buried or burned and will never be found, kind of like one of the two steel front doors.

4 posted on 02/27/2003 8:46:22 PM PST by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
It's not necessary to go half way around the world to find murdering tyrants,when we have a peck full here at home.
5 posted on 02/27/2003 8:52:39 PM PST by APBaer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Yes, it makes one heartsick. I hate liars.
6 posted on 02/27/2003 9:05:17 PM PST by Pushi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
It maybe just tinfoil like but just maybe the Clinton Administration wanted something to take attention off of the bombing to the World Trade Center a day or two before.

If Waco hadn't gotten the public's attention maybe Clinton would of been forced to deal with Bin Laudin back in 1993.
7 posted on 02/27/2003 9:21:49 PM PST by Swiss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Swiss
> It maybe just tinfoil like but just maybe the Clinton
> Administration wanted something to take attention off of > the bombing to the World Trade Center a day or two
> before.

> If Waco hadn't gotten the public's attention maybe
> Clinton would of been forced to deal with Bin Laudin
> back in 1993.after.

Swiss, also, his crime bill was DOA in Senate prior to Waco. That would have been a setback. It passed hands down afterward. Another two-fer. Still hard to believe they got away with that massacre. We will always remember. Yes, the truth is out there but the government investigators have conveniently "lost" much of the evidence.
8 posted on 02/27/2003 9:51:42 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((... all evidence has been turned over to NASA investigators...))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Nobody gives a whit about the truth; you bring-up Waco and most will look at you like you have three heads. For most it doesn't matter, blame it on they were psychos... not like the 'masses'. What about the incinerated kids? What about this happened in our own country?

What about Randy Weaver and Bill Cooper?

No aluminum here, only wanting truth, not duplicity and games.

9 posted on 02/27/2003 10:44:09 PM PST by paix
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: paix
.....and all over a $200 tax on a handful of gun parts.
10 posted on 02/27/2003 11:18:37 PM PST by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Congress at that time was thinking of saving money by putting ATF under DOJ and eliminating most of ATF management slots.

ATF management was under pressure to produce a high-profile raid with lots of dangerous weapons. The Davidians were perfect candidates for the ATF PR operation. Merely arresting Koresh would not have fulfilled the PR objective.
11 posted on 02/28/2003 12:01:02 AM PST by ggekko
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: lynn99
How was it a disaster for both sides? The murdering jackboots got a promotion.
The seventh day adventists were exterminated.

The government has never acknowledged or apologized or held to account for their murderous behavior.
The survivors of the massacre were sent to prison.

Pretty one way disaster in my book.
12 posted on 02/28/2003 5:03:41 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Wesley Clark lent his helicopters, was promoted to NATO commander in Kosovo, and may even end up with the VP slot for the D's.

Waco bump.
13 posted on 02/28/2003 7:19:26 AM PST by JohnGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Wesley Clark lent his helicopters, was promoted to NATO commander in Kosovo, and may even end up with the VP slot for the D's.

Waco bump.
14 posted on 02/28/2003 7:19:43 AM PST by JohnGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
BTT
15 posted on 02/28/2003 7:43:12 AM PST by Remember Ruby Ridge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson